Have you ever been pulled over in a company vehicle?

[jakeslife]

I have...twice.

First I was doing 82 in a 50. State pulled me over, hit me with his spotlight and saw our markings on the car. It was Saturday morning at about 0130, so he pulled up beside me, told me to get better markings on the vehicles and slow it down, and took off.

Second time I was popped for doing 38 in a 35. The guy ripped me a new fecal excretion prtal and left, no ticket.

[Tennsix]

I have...twice.

First I was doing 82 in a 50. State pulled me over, hit me with his spotlight and saw our markings on the car. It was Saturday morning at about 0130, so he pulled up beside me, told me to get better markings on the vehicles and slow it down, and took off.

Second time I was popped for doing 38 in a 35. The guy ripped me a new fecal excretion prtal and left, no ticket.
38 in a 35? where you driving a black Trans Am and running interference for a beer laden Semi????

[Lawson]

82 in a 50? Security or not... you would have received a cite from me.

[Charger]

Wow... I guess it depends though on the relationship a given company has with the local PD... I remember when I was with my previous company, I had arrived at a property for a routine patrol, and noticed an open door. Parked the car, and snuck up on the area... Overheard voices, & stuff being moved around... I let dispatch know what was going on, and my supervisor at the time (as well as a couple other nearby units) responded as cover...
Well, the supe showed up about 5 mins later, which I thought was odd considering he was working a district almost 6 miles away on the other side of the city... And he was being followed by a local PD car.... After the incident was cleared up (perps busted, etc.. lol) they said they were running traffic on the highway across town and saw him doin 110, so they figured somethin good must've been goin on and wanted a piece of it.... LOL
Course, it helps that the office is almost next door to the PD... ;)

[Taser]

Yeah, for sure. 48 in a 25. He told me to slow it down and if he saw me doing it again he'd cite me.

One time, also in a company vehicle, I was driving on I-5, going 86 in a 70. Washington State Patrol pulled up on my ass, saw it was a security vehicle, pulled along side me, and honked his air horn and then he sped off. By the time he caught up to me I had been gradually slowing down to about 75 though because when I saw those headlights appear in my rearview mirror off in the distance I just knew it was a cop. Sure enough, I was right.

I do appreciate the courtesy and I have really watched my speed over the years after those two incidents.

[Mr. Security]

38 in a 35? where you driving a black Trans Am and running interference for a beer laden Semi????

Sheriff Bufford T. Justice strikes again! :D

[Mr. Security]

82 in a 50? Security or not... you would have received a cite from me.

Agreed. More than 20 mph over the speed limit on the interstate here and you're looking at a reckless driving summons and a pink slip from your employer. :eek: :(

[jakeslife]

I wasn't saying it in a flashy show-off tone, just as a fact. I think that since it was a Saturday night he knew he wouldn't catch anything in the car or a drunk driver or else he would have cited me.

[Tennsix]

82 in a 50? Security or not... you would have received a cite from me.

In my state that is reckless driving (class "A" misd/+25 over the posted limit) thus a jailable offense.

[Tennsix]

Wow... I guess it depends though on the relationship a given company has with the local PD... I remember when I was with my previous company, I had arrived at a property for a routine patrol, and noticed an open door. Parked the car, and snuck up on the area... Overheard voices, & stuff being moved around... I let dispatch know what was going on, and my supervisor at the time (as well as a couple other nearby units) responded as cover...
Well, the supe showed up about 5 mins later, which I thought was odd considering he was working a district almost 6 miles away on the other side of the city... And he was being followed by a local PD car.... After the incident was cleared up (perps busted, etc.. lol) they said they were running traffic on the highway across town and saw him doin 110, so they figured somethin good must've been goin on and wanted a piece of it.... LOL
Course, it helps that the office is almost next door to the PD... ;)
I think their explanation was PC excuse when they realized ther supervisor was on a legit run. However, 110 MPH is a bit excessive. That is way too fast.

[Mr. Security]

I think their explanation was PC excuse when they realized ther supervisor was on a legit run. However, 110 MPH is a bit excessive. That is way too fast.

Which is it? "a bit excessive" or "way too fast?"

Sorry, I know I'm being a wise guy...... :p

[The_Mayor]

Second time I was popped for doing 38 in a 35.

OMG, what a dirtbag. :D

[Mr. Security]

OMG, what a dirtbag. :D

Book 'em Danno! :p

[The_Mayor]

Agreed. More than 20 mph over the speed limit on the interstate here and you're looking at a reckless driving summons and a pink slip from your employer. :eek: :(

When I was 17 I took my old camaro at 3 AM on US101 north about 15 miles north of san francisco. I got it up to 120 mph. The speed limit there is 65. It was a used car and there was no front passenger seat. So my brother was just sitting there where the seat was supposed to me on a milk carton (with no seatbelt).

As I am coming down the hill passing San Rafael towards the weigh station at terra linda. My brother says "COP". I looked over and I saw the cop about 1/8 of a mile ahead and he was on a bike :eek: and he already has his lights on.

So I pulled over. And the CHPie walked right up to me. "Where is the bottle?" he asked. I told him that I don't drink. And that was true I didn't drink back then. then he asked "Where is the Nitrous" I told him that there was no nitrous. (there wasn't).

He said "I want you to take this thing to a race track and get the hell out of here. Do you understand?"

I said Yes. and I did understand.

He let me go. Chippies are cool. :)

[Tennsix]

Which is it? "a bit excessive" or "way too fast?"

Sorry, I know I'm being a wise guy...... :p
Way too fast! :p I was typing and thinking at tme same time. 110 is too fast. It mightthink differently about it, if the supervisor was the only back-up officer resonding.

[Mr. Security]

When I was 17 I took my old camaro at 3 AM on US101 north about 15 miles north of san francisco. I got it up to 120 mph. The speed limit there is 65. It was a used car and there was no front passenger seat. So my brother was just sitting there where the seat was supposed to me on a milk carton (with no seatbelt).

As I am coming down the hill passing San Rafael towards the weigh station at terra linda. My brother says "COP". I looked over and I saw the cop about 1/8 of a mile ahead and he was on a bike :eek: and he already has his lights on.

So I pulled over. And the CHPie walked right up to me. "Where is the bottle?" he asked. I told him that I don't drink. And that was true I didn't drink back then. then he asked "Where is the Nitrous" I told him that there was no nitrous. (there wasn't).

He said "I want you to take this thing to a race track and get the hell out of here. Do you understand?"

I said Yes. and I did understand.

He let me go. Chippies are cool. :)

Thank goodness for graduated driver licenses! :) When you're young, it's common to feel immortal or "bullet proof." The military also knows that and they prefer young guys who will charge that machine gun nest. You take an "old" guy like me and I'm careful not to slip on the ice and break a bone or crack my skull. :o Most of us make it to middle age despite our impetuous acts and a few, sadly, pay the price.

[Mr. Security]

Way too fast! :p I was typing and thinking at tme same time. 110 is too fast. It mightthink differently about it, if the supervisor was the only back-up officer resonding.

I figured. :)

[Taser]

Way too fast! :p I was typing and thinking at tme same time. 110 is too fast. It mightthink differently about it, if the supervisor was the only back-up officer resonding.
Yeah, 110 is incredibly fast. Only time I've gone that fast was on a ride-along where the officer I was with was blazing down the highway to back up his sergeant. 110 mph is a pretty white-knuckle speed, especially when you're blazing past other cars and trucks going 60 mph.

I think all of us can admit, at least those of us on patrol, that we've pushed it a little further than we should when responding to a hot alarm (multiple activations) or maybe a good call. I've definitely slowed myself down, and I think that comes with experience.

[Mr. Security]

The ONLY time I want to be going 110 mph is in my airplane. ;)

[Mr. Security]

Yeah, 110 is incredibly fast. Only time I've gone that fast was on a ride-along where the officer I was with was blazing down the highway to back up his sergeant. 110 mph is a pretty white-knuckle speed, especially when you're blazing past other cars and trucks going 60 mph.....

I would of asked him to let me get out of the car! :eek:

[Echos13]

?There is no job in the world that justifies speeding to the point of idiocy other than maybe on a race track.? That was a quote from my FTO in my LEO days. And I concur with it to this day.

Though I have had pursuits close to 125 they were felony pursuits. Responses to an LEO in need of help, shots fired and so on allowed me to push the pedal further to the floor but not all the way to the floor to the point of loosing it all in a micro-second. And yes I have stroked many a security guard in my lifetime for driving like Steve McQueen in a company vehicle. Now as a private protection officer who?s duties are to respond to escort calls in three counties I have yet to have pushed the envelope. And never will. Until the laws change that the private sector can respond in such a way I?ll be dammed if I am going to risk killing someone or myself.

I have personally witnessed three deaths in my life time due to someone hauling ass. One of them died in my arms from a hit and run speeder who to this day was never caught. It?s not an event I share often but it?s one that has allowed me to govern my desire for speed. I have been stopped many times by an LEO but not for traffic issues. Since my job requires me to drive around in an unmarked company vehicle it?s bound to draw an few police to check me out. But not for speed. This is one area I put my foot down working security that there is NO excuse for it. Unless you have the authority to do so and your vehicle has red or blue lights and have perhaps a closed environment to speed on. It?s wrong in all respects. Sometimes I even get miffed at the authorities of this day and age for blowing the paint off my car or mail box. Especially when they are not using any lights or siren.

[Taser]

I would of asked him to let me get out of the car! :eek:
It was pretty impressive really. We were travelling in a pack of about two other police cars, all going 110 mph. But hey, their supe needed back up. I only hope my guys come to my aid fast when I call...though not at 110 mph. :eek:

[N. A. Corbier]

I always got annoyed for a second or two by unmarked units driving like Batman. No, actually, I drive like Batman. They drive like idiots.

I don't care who's driving. Nor do I really care that "I'm a trained professional who can drive at 120 MPH and your not." I've driven at 100-110 MPH. Its not fun. Its not something that you want to do lightly, with frequency. I think quite a few agencies knew that if one of my employer's cars was doing anything over 80 (Which was the normal speed on the two Tampa Bay bridges), something was seriously wrong, and they can write a ticket at the site when they get there.

[Taser]

A co-worker of mine was telling me a story about working for a former company. He was responding to a hot alarm and he was stuck behind a school bus. So, on a road (where there is one lane travelling in each direction), the bus turns on its flashers and pulls off to the right to pick up kids who were on that side of the road. So, my colleage passes the school bus in the left lane, going slowly and cautiously. I guess the bus driver called it in because down the road he got pulled over. The officer gave him a huge ration of s*** (understandably, if you ask me). But the officer said one thing that really struck a nerve with him. "I don't care if you have a MAN DOWN, you do not break traffic laws!" I can honestly say if I had a co-worker saying that he had been shot/was being shot at I would be going balls to the wall to get there, but I've always been taught to look out for my own.

He didn't get a ticket, but he wasn't happy.

[Echos13]

I was never a fan of Batman. :D

"It's the car. Chicks dig the car".

Green Lantern was more my style. ;)

"You're headstrong, unprofessional, and reckless. If you ever jeopardize yourself or your teammates again by running off half-cocked without a battle plan, I will personally see you're kicked out of the League. I don't care who your father is. And incidentally... you did good.".

[Mr. Security]

A co-worker of mine was telling me a story about working for a former company. He was responding to a hot alarm and he was stuck behind a school bus. So, on a road (where there is one lane travelling in each direction), the bus turns on its flashers and pulls off to the right to pick up kids who were on that side of the road. So, my colleage passes the school bus in the left lane, going slowly and cautiously. I guess the bus driver called it in because down the road he got pulled over...

Passing a school bus with its red lights flashing is a BIG NO-NO. If your coworker had run over a kid, he'd probably still be incarcerated. :(

[Taser]

Passing a school bus with its red lights flashing is a BIG NO-NO. If your coworker had run over a kid, he'd probably still be incarcerated. :(
I agree, and that's what I told him. No matter how careful he was passing the school bus. It would have been better if he had just done it while the bus was in motion.

[Tennsix]

The ONLY time I want to be going 110 mph is in my airplane. ;)
I got up to 120 MPH in a pursuit once and I have no desire to do that again.

[Mr. Security]

I got up to 120 MPH in a pursuit once and I have no desire to do that again.

Yikes! :eek: How was the old blood pressure and ticker during that pursuit? :D

[N. A. Corbier]

I got up to 120 MPH in a pursuit once and I have no desire to do that again.

I got a Caprice Classic (9c1 Interceptor, not the road version) up to 115 and then backed it back down, I swore the thing was going to fly off the road or something. It seemed to settle in best at 75-80, which was standard highway speeds in Tampa on the bridges.

[OccamsRazor]

Our rigs in California were Expeditions, so they never got above 95, even downhill. We also had them in Alaska, but there wasn't a lot of room to get them up to breakneck speeds, though I once went to a help-the-officer call at 90mph in a blizzard...I'll attach a picture to illustrate the joys of that.

Rode with a CHP officer once on a SET (special enforcement teams) detail, in his Camaro...We went up to the bad side of 130 chasing two guys who were racing on the highway...Passed them and then blocked both lanes and forced them to pull over. Fun times.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Wilrobnson/whiteout.jpg

[Tennsix]

[QUOTE=wilrobnson]Our rigs in California were Expeditions, so they never got above 95, even downhill. We also had them in Alaska, but there wasn't a lot of room to get them up to breakneck speeds, though I once went to a help-the-officer call at 90mph in a blizzard...I'll attach a picture to illustrate the joys of that.

Rode with a CHP officer once on a SET (special enforcement teams) detail, in his Camaro...We went up to the bad side of 130 chasing two guys who were racing on the highway...Passed them and then blocked both lanes and forced them to pull over. Fun times.

Danger, Wilrobnson, Danger!!

[Taser]

Danger, Wilrobnson, Danger!!
Hahahaha, now that's funny.

[1stWatch]

The fastest I ever dared to go was 104 and only for a few seconds. The car felt like it was going to shake apart.

I really dislike speeding on duty. It means one of two things:
1) Somebody calling for emergency backup doesn't know how to stay out of harm's way.
or 2) We have way too many assignments to do, more than can humanly be done.

Strangely enough though, I have never been cited for speeding on duty. In fact, I have had a couple of incidents happen where the police were running next to me and ahead of me with the red lights and sirens on.

I did have a strange problem in a couple of suburban cities a couple of years ago, though, where they would be following anybody from a security company around and look for a reason to pull us over, especially if it was an ugly pickup truck. The traffic stop would always start the same way. After following for a couple of miles they would pull one over for not using a turn signal from enough distance or for having one of those little lightbulbs out over the back license plate. Then the question got asked "what are you doing in my city?" If we were armed, they would be asking questions like "do you have a weapon? Is it loaded? Why is it loaded? Did you get a letter of permission from our civil engineer?" All these retarded questions, none of which had to do with traffic violations, suspicion of a criminal violation, or even just to check our pocket cards.
This stuff was totally uncalled for since it has nothing to do with the laws governing security. I honestly think they did not know what the law said. I spent 15 minutes talking to one of them one time and showed several pages from the criminal law book regarding what my job was and I never got bothered again.

[N. A. Corbier]

The fastest I ever dared to go was 104 and only for a few seconds. The car felt like it was going to shake apart.

I really dislike speeding on duty. It means one of two things:
1) Somebody calling for emergency backup doesn't know how to stay out of harm's way.
or 2) We have way too many assignments to do, more than can humanly be done.

Strangely enough though, I have never been cited for speeding on duty. In fact, I have had a couple of incidents happen where the police were running next to me and ahead of me with the red lights and sirens on.

I did have a strange problem in a couple of suburban cities a couple of years ago, though, where they would be following anybody from a security company around and look for a reason to pull us over, especially if it was an ugly pickup truck. The traffic stop would always start the same way. After following for a couple of miles they would pull one over for not using a turn signal from enough distance or for having one of those little lightbulbs out over the back license plate. Then the question got asked "what are you doing in my city?" If we were armed, they would be asking questions like "do you have a weapon? Is it loaded? Why is it loaded? Did you get a letter of permission from our civil engineer?" All these retarded questions, none of which had to do with traffic violations, suspicion of a criminal violation, or even just to check our pocket cards.
This stuff was totally uncalled for since it has nothing to do with the laws governing security. I honestly think they did not know what the law said. I spent 15 minutes talking to one of them one time and showed several pages from the criminal law book regarding what my job was and I never got bothered again.

"I need you to understand that you are on a dash camera with wireless audio, that I cannot turn off, and that these questions you are asking me are being recorded, sent over the internet to my company's office, and a dispatcher is listening to our conversation at this time."

[EMTGuard]

"I need you to understand that you are on a dash camera with wireless audio, that I cannot turn off, and that these questions you are asking me are being recorded, sent over the internet to my company's office, and a dispatcher is listening to our conversation at this time."
Swweeeeettttt.

[Bill Warnock]

N.A.
Now that is truly the "coup de main" for the questioner.
You, sir, are to be congratulated!
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[N. A. Corbier]

Now I just have to figure out how to do it, on the cheap.

Btw, the reason its doing "wireless internet," and not being recorded, is because in most states, a law enforcement officer CAN order you to turn your recording device off during his investigation.

Wisconsin is a state that resisting unlawful orders is still unlawful. So, if you refuse to do this, you can then be charged with failure to obey a lawful order, and the officer can physically make you turn it off. The first charge won't stick, but the failure to obey a lawful order WILL.

[1stWatch]

"I need you to understand that you are on a dash camera with wireless audio, that I cannot turn off, and that these questions you are asking me are being recorded, sent over the internet to my company's office, and a dispatcher is listening to our conversation at this time."

That would be wonderful. If only the company would pay for such equipment.

I'm thinking of getting one of these, just like another person I used to work with: a vhs camcorder that can mount on the dash and plug into the cigar plug with an adapter. The guy I know of who had that would keep the thing on record for the whole 8 hours he worked (12 in my case) and swap tapes out every other week. Any contacts he made were recorded and anything he was a witness to was also recorded. The few times people were abusive to him or wanted to create bogus complaints he was able to nullify the situation. The arrests he made were also never invalidated.

The last time I checked, they were more compact and more affordable than the larger ones that costed around $500 ten years ago.

[N. A. Corbier]

That would be wonderful. If only the company would pay for such equipment.

I'm thinking of getting one of these, just like another person I used to work with: a vhs camcorder that can mount on the dash and plug into the cigar plug with an adapter. The guy I know of who had that would keep the thing on record for the whole 8 hours he worked (12 in my case) and swap tapes out every other week. Any contacts he made were recorded and anything he was a witness to was also recorded. The few times people were abusive to him or wanted to create bogus complaints he was able to nullify the situation. The arrests he made were also never invalidated.

The last time I checked, they were more compact and more affordable than the larger ones that costed around $500 ten years ago.

You can pick up a Mini-DV unit for about 250-500 now days. Less on eBay. When I think of "in-car video," I think more about a baby PC in the trunk with a hard drive, a video in card, and a cheap coaxial camera, with a Nextel or Edge modem attached. Some attempt, at least, to maintain chain of evidence.

[EMTGuard]

just like another person I used to work with: a vhs camcorder that can mount on the dash and plug into the cigar plug with an adapter. The guy I know of who had that would keep the thing on record for the whole 8 hours he worked (12 in my case) and swap tapes out every other week. Any contacts he made were recorded and anything he was a witness to was also recorded. The few times people were abusive to him or wanted to create bogus complaints he was able to nullify the situation. The arrests he made were also never invalidated.
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When I ran as a volunteer firefighter I kept a VHS camera mounted on the dash of my POV. Whenever I left my driveway for a call I hit the RECORD button before turning on my lights and siren and responding. Once on scene I would shut off the siren then the camera. The camera saved me on TWO occasions when someone with a grudge wanted to make a complaint regarding VFD Firefighters speeding and operating recklessly. In both cases I took the tape to the fire station and popped them in the VCR to review with my Chief. Each time the tapes proved that I was never operating outside our department policies and I wasn't "running people off the road" as was stated in the complaints. I am no longer a member of the VFD but I still have a camcorder on my dash and run it quite a bit during commutes. I've caught lots of near misses, people nearly running ME off the road and some great examples of people running red lights and stop signs. I recommend having dash cams.

Photo is of the dash of my POV from about 13 months ago. Dash Strobe, GPS receiver and VHS camera shown.

[Taser]

When I ran as a volunteer firefighter I kept a VHS camera mounted on the dash of my POV. Whenever I left my driveway for a call I hit the RECORD button before turning on my lights and siren and responding. Once on scene I would shut off the siren then the camera. The camera saved me on TWO occasions when someone with a grudge wanted to make a complaint regarding VFD Firefighters speeding and operating recklessly. In both cases I took the tape to the fire station and popped them in the VCR to review with my Chief. Each time the tapes proved that I was never operating outside our department policies and I wasn't "running people off the road" as was stated in the complaints. I am no longer a member of the VFD but I still have a camcorder on my dash and run it quite a bit during commutes. I've caught lots of near misses, people nearly running ME off the road and some great examples of people running red lights and stop signs. I recommend having dash cams.

Photo is of the dash of my POV from about 13 months ago. Dash Strobe, GPS receiver and VHS camera shown.
Ah, the familiar cockpit of a Chevy Lumina. I drove those on duty a few years ago. The V6 hauled some pretty serious ass really. Definitely not my favorite car for patrol though.

Sorry, not related to the topic, it just brought back memories. ;)

[OccamsRazor]

Now I just have to figure out how to do it, on the cheap.

Please DON'T use the Martel system...It sucks. See my rant on O.com for more info.

[Tennsix]

Please DON'T use the Martel system...It sucks. See my rant on O.com for more info.
That is my twin brother's name. LOL He is a cop too (we used to work for the same dept).

[EMTGuard]

Ah, the familiar cockpit of a Chevy Lumina. I drove those on duty a few years ago. The V6 hauled some pretty serious ass really. Definitely not my favorite car for patrol though.

Sorry, not related to the topic, it just brought back memories. ;) Well, while we are off topic....
Yep it's a pretty nice car. I've got the 1997 model and my lady has the 1995 model. The GPS is hooked up to the Kenwood TM-D700 VHF/UHF radio in the car. You can see display for the radio between the Cellphone and the steering wheel in the photo. I run Automatic Position Reporting System (APRS) which is the ham radio version of fleettracking. Whenever the car moves within a coverage area it's position is tracked and data such as direction of travel, speed and status are transmitted. Want to see where it is now?
Clicky-> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=kc5sas
Of course there are thousands of Hams using APRS.
You can learn more about APRS including seeing a few DOS maps with activity at- http://www.aprs.net/ . For a better java map which shows details to street level you can click on- http://www.aprsfl.net/javaprs.html .
My old lady always know where I am. :D

Back, on topic...
I've never been pulled over in a company vehicle but have been in my POV because some over zealous cop thought I might be the Baton Rouge serial Killer.

[N. A. Corbier]

Please DON'T use the Martel system...It sucks. See my rant on O.com for more info.

Got a link? I don't read some of the areas, I'm tempted to reply, and some idiot may decide to hit "report."

[OccamsRazor]

Got a link? I don't read some of the areas, I'm tempted to reply, and some idiot may decide to hit "report."

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29629

Here it is in action in my old rig, right next to the radar:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Wilrobnson/Car-5.jpg

[1stWatch]

You can pick up a Mini-DV unit for about 250-500 now days. Less on eBay. When I think of "in-car video," I think more about a baby PC in the trunk with a hard drive, a video in card, and a cheap coaxial camera, with a Nextel or Edge modem attached. Some attempt, at least, to maintain chain of evidence.

The old fashioned way seems to be better in my case since the company does not use computer equipment in the cars and I would have to remove it at the end of the shift lest it be stolen.

[1stWatch]

Whenever I left my driveway for a call I hit the RECORD button before turning on my lights and siren and responding. Once on scene I would shut off the siren then the camera.

This is the same concept I am thinking of; however, I would not be able to turn it off when on scene. The state law here mandates the video recorder be on at all times during the time a duty is executed, as described by the racial profiling statutes in the code of criminal procedures.

[Mr. Security]

Got a link? I don't read some of the areas, I'm tempted to reply, and some idiot may decide to hit "report."

So you get kicked off like I did. What's the point in being a member if you can't freely participate? You can still read the posts w/o being a member. Why stay at a site where you're not welcome just because you work security?

[Tennsix]

So you get kicked off like I did. What's the point in being a member if you can't freely participate? You can still read the posts w/o being a member. Why stay at a site where you're not welcome just because you work security?
They have another "Do you like security" thread going.
O.Com Thread (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44102)

[1stWatch]

Notice how none of the guys in that thread from California like security at all. Something must be really wrong there. In fact, come to think of it, the last three people I had come to work for companies I was at who worked previously in California spent most of the training time bragging about all this certified training they got, but then they washed out after a couple of weeks, complaining about too much of a workload. I'm sure that's not indicative though.

On the other hand, a couple of them actually had some nice things to say.

[Mr. Security]

They have another "Do you like security" thread going.
O.Com Thread (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44102)

Thanks. I'll check it out. Feel free to tell them that Mr. Security sends is 'regards.' ;)

[N. A. Corbier]

1. This is in ask-a-cop, nobody reply unless you've got enough juice to avoid a banning. :)

2. I didn't really see any Cali folks. Now, in the Dog thread, they f-ing HATE Dog. This is the usual, "As long as they know they're not cops, we're cool with em, except when they're wannabes."

[DMS 525]

I have been pulled over several times, and once received a ticket for doing 47 in a 30 zone. All those other cars going just as fast, or whizzing past me, and I get stopped. I come to find out that cop had a reputation for stopping security vehicles every chance he had. I got him; saw him at one of his favorite speed traps one afternoon, so I nailed a sign saying RADAR AHEAD at each end of the street. He sure was bamboozled when cars drove by at the speed limit, and some even honked and waved at him!! Hey, what was the real harm? They were all driving the speed limit on that street for a change.

Got into it another time with a Reserve Deputy Sheriff; said I was speeding, but really wanted to run his vile, wicked, hateful mouth on me. Sheriff's Dept was no one to talk, they way they drove across town like they were crazy, no lights of siren. They were a major tragedy waiting to happen. I made a complaint to the supervisor of the Patrol Section. Promised a lawsuit if that ever happened again, if I just didn't get out of that car and kick the goat turds right out of that jerk!! Partly because of my complaint, Reserves are no longer allowed to patrol by themselves or with other Reserves(as this one was). They must be working with a full time, sworn Deputy.

Because of that incident, I kept a certain something with me after that, and it put the run on a smart azzed suburban city cop, who just wanted to stop me and hassle me for no good reason(musta been a slow night). Running his mouth, telling me I was speeding but wouldn't say how fast unless I wanted a citation, blah, blah, blah, until I told him before he said anything else, I held up my radio mic, which I'd had held open the entire time, to allow about 10 other guys to witness the conversation, plus pointing out my mini cassette recorder on the dash of the car! Asked him if there was anything else he wanted to say. He sure beat feet in a hurry, and that particular department never bothered us again! And I was not speeding; saw him coming a mile away, and made sure I was doing the limit. What's more, we'd just had the accuracy of that speedometer in that car confirmed, and had documentation to prove it. Right on the ball.

One of my charges got caught driving 75 in a 25 and ran a red light responding to an alarm. The cop told me he wouldn't file charges at this time if we'd do something about it. My guy got a few days off with no pay. I wish the cop had just arrested that jerk, but that's another story. But did he hear it from me, for that fool stunt(there was absolutely no need to drive that fast going to anything), as well as abusing the equipment, as I knew he was doing. Smart aleck maverick, who thought he could do it all his own way, with no respect for Supervisors.

My last security gig, I got the owner to institute a special radio code, plus require a report to be written any time we had a negative contact situation with any law enforcement agency. Have something to back up allegations of certain agencies, or individuals creating a consistient pattern of making trouble for us.

99% of the time, I worked well with the LE agencies in the area. But every so often, you have to get that one joker who messes up the deal for everybody. A cross you have to bear if you choose to work in the Security profession.

[Gumshoe]

38 in a 35? where you driving a black Trans Am and running interference for a beer laden Semi????

LOL LOL Now that is funny. That show was a classic.

[Tennsix]

1. 47 in a 30 is good cite. I routinely run RADAR and I generally don?t issue citations until the motorist exceeds the limit by 15 MPH. Your gripe about others going just as fast is a common explanation but it does not absolve you of responsibility.

2. Had I seen you post a sign warning motorists of a speed enforcement area, I would have cited you for littering and/or obstructing.

3. I have a hard time believing one complaint lead to a re-write of PD policy. Had I been the officer and you demanded a citation, you would have gotten one. Furthermore, it would not have been bothered about your whipping out an open mic or tape recorder. I would have suggested you retain the tape for your traffic court appearance.

4. Regarding #1 and #3, I would have informed your supervisor.

Having said all of that, I have never singled out a person/vehicle because of its security agency affiliation. However, I do extended the ?Red Carpet? treatment for anyone that screws with me, hence my signature. You can?t complain about the poor relationship with local PD when you are as guilty of unprofessional conduct.

[Tennsix]

LOL LOL Now that is funny. That show was a classic.
Sheriff Justice has inspired many a fine man to become law enforcment officers.

[DMS 525]

Tennsix, let me clear the air on a couple of matters:

I got nailed for 47 in a 30. Was a good cite, and I just paid the fine. And, I know it wasn't a good thing posting those signs; not expecting anyone to condone such actions.
That Officer is now doing desk duty in the Traffic section's office, and I see him every year to get my cab license application processed(I drive a cab part time). He remembers me, is always glad to see me, and we catch up a little in the process. No grudges are held either way.

That Reserve Deputy who stopped me and ran his mouth; I found out he was not even radar qualified. But it wasn't just that one incident that changed that policy. That was just one of many. I also should have specified that I was in the process of responding to an alarm. The Sheriff's supervisor told me that I should have told the Deputy that- they will not interfere. That was what had me so mad in the first place; I'd always thought we had a good working relationship with that agency. Nothing changed in regards to that.

Same for that suburban PD; don't know if that incident made them change their ways of thinking or not; all I said was that they never bothered us again.

Incidents such as these were few and far between in the 11 years I worked security in this city. Actually, I had a good working relationship with LE, and have been praised many times for my professionalism.

You may forget I was a police officer a long time ago, long before I ever got into security work. I knew things from both sides of the fence, therefore I never expected "red carpet" treatment from LE. Anyone who goes out thinking they are entitled to such is a damned fool!

[OccamsRazor]

Sheriff Justice has inspired many a fine man to become law enforcment officers.

Him and Broderick Crawford.

[Mr. Security]

Sheriff Justice has inspired many a fine man to become law enforcment officers.

And we would be remiss if we failed to mention the fine, fine example of Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane and his energetic K9, Flash. "Let's go get 'em Flash, ke ke ke!" :D