Uniforms

[medic15al]

Describe or post pics of your uniforms! I have been tasked to design a new uniform and possibly a new patch in light of a new contract. My idea is this:
A black shirt with grey epaulets over grey pants w/ black 1 inch cloth stripe on the leg.
I appreciate any ideas ya'll have! :)

[N. A. Corbier]

Have you considered all forest green? :)

BTW, I personally dislike dark top / lighter bottom. It seems strange to me. I could see steel grey with black pants.

Currently, I'm looking at "nickel grey" uniforms from Quartermaster. Everything is the dark grey color, except the black tie, and only if I can't find nickel grey ties.

Shoulder patches... I have to draw it and then try to photoshop it.

[medic15al]

That's not a bad idea! I have forgotten about the green combos.

[Tennsix]

Describe or post pics of your uniforms! I have been tasked to design a new uniform and possibly a new patch in light of a new contract. My idea is this:
A black shirt with grey epaulets over grey pants w/ black 1 inch cloth stripe on the leg.
I appreciate any ideas ya'll have! :)
When I was deputy we wore dark brown shirt (tan eps) with tan pants with brown stripe. I wear the traditional navy blue now. I am a big fan of tan/tan like CHP or LVPD.

[davis002]

I'll try and get a better picture for you soon. We wear Navy Elbeco tactical twill class B duty pants with Nickel Gray Elbeco tex-trop shirts. We also wear Gray 5.11 Tactical polo shirts at some accounts where a "softer" presence is requested.

[Mr. Security]

The uniform I wear when working at my consulting business is a L.A. County Sheriff green trouser with a white uniform shirt. LE around here doesn't use those colors. Tennsix: Is that you with John Walsh?

[Tennsix]

The uniform I wear when working at my consulting business is a L.A. County Sheriff green trouser with a white uniform shirt. LE around here doesn't use those colors. Tennsix: Is that you with John Walsh?
Yeah, thats me and walsh

[Mr. Security]

Yeah, thats me and walsh

COOL!!!! :cool:

[medic15al]

Good looking uniform, davis! Keep em coming! I'm getting good ideas now!
Tenn, I like the Brown over Tan setup.

[davis002]

That's the 5.11 tactical polo... I'm not very impressed with the polo though, as it's starting to fall apart after less than a year.

[Mr. Security]

Good looking uniform, davis! Keep em coming! I'm getting good ideas now!
Tenn, I like the Brown over Tan setup.

Don't forget the "blazer look." :eek: :p

[Bill Warnock]

Tennsix you look sharp in that photo with John Walsh.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[flashlightcop509]

I'm rather partial to the solid color combo's; The light shirt, dark pant theme just doesn't look right to me somehow... This is mine; I love the wooly pully, does away with having to worry about donning/doffing my coat...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/gunnerk19/securityuniform001.jpg

[medic15al]

Hey flashlightcop, can I get a closeup on the patch? They look pretty good to me!

[medic15al]

BTW, the client we are vieing for is a gated community of approx 4200 acres, so it will be a private police type job. We will have one APOSTC county deputy assigned to us each shift for situations that require it. Marked and lighted patrol vehicles, homeowners assn bylaws state residents and guests must yield to us, ETC...Officers will work both gate and patrol, never at gate more than an hour or so so that boredom is reduced and alertness is increased.

[flashlightcop509]

Here ya go Medic...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/gunnerk19/censorlogo001.jpg

[medic15al]

Thanks, buddy!

[N. A. Corbier]

I like the Commando Sweaters, either the Liberty contractor or the original NSN type. The Blauer ones are OK, and the "jersey knit" sucks in my opinion. It should have ribbing.

I've been eternally turned off of the light blue / dark blue, and I don't know why. LAPD Navy is used by the local police up here, or else I'd use it. I'd rather not have my people confused with the local police.

Tennsix looks like the type of guy who will either be really cool, or give you a ration of ____, depending on what level of stupidity has brought him to your doorstep. :)

[Tennsix]

I like the Commando Sweaters, either the Liberty contractor or the original NSN type. The Blauer ones are OK, and the "jersey knit" sucks in my opinion. It should have ribbing.

I've been eternally turned off of the light blue / dark blue, and I don't know why. LAPD Navy is used by the local police up here, or else I'd use it. I'd rather not have my people confused with the local police.

Tennsix looks like the type of guy who will either be really cool, or give you a ration of ____, depending on what level of stupidity has brought him to your doorstep. :)
LOL I give what I get. I have been known to overlook the occasional act of foolishness but if a dork wants to dance, I will put on the music. The porch light is always on at the Sheriff?s bed and breakfast.

[medic15al]

LOL, Tennsix is a good guy!

[Tennsix]

Thanks :) I worked in EMS too. I did it on the side for 10 years.

[medic15al]

Got your back, brother! :)

[medic15al]

15 years of it and I had my absolute fill of the bull**** way the private ambulance companies treat their employees. Pay at 7.00-12.00 hr for Paramedics, with EMTs getting 6.00-to 8.00 at the most. have to pay 75% of Insurance provided, one unit per 20,000 or so people, 24 hr shift with 18-20 runs per shift and managements refusal to run more units because they're afraid it may cost them a damn dollar. Our people were so tire they were sleeping through call outs and in one case were fatally wounded by a train at a crossing one 4am. This is a phenomenon that seems to be prevalent here in Alabama more so than anywhere else. The fire guys have only a fraction of the runs due to proper staffing. Goddamned ****headed ambulance companies can bite my ass!!!!!!!!

[Lawson]

Yeah, thats me and walsh


Are you deputy jones from Reno911?!?! :D

[Charger]

I'm actually in the middle of a uniform redesign myself... But we've decided on the grey/black two-tones from Quartermaster... (Grey shirt w/ black pockets/epaulets, black trousers w/ grey stripe)

The only department that wears this color scheme is a County Sheriffs agency 50 miles away, so there's very little chance of anyone mistaking us for PD, but it still gives a very professional appearance. I'll get a pic when we get them in. ;)

EDIT: N.A.: Those nickel grey you mentioned are really nice. A friend of mine runs a company in the Portland area, and they switched to those... They're darker than the standard grey, but still light enough to offset the black trousers. :D

[Tennsix]

At what level? I work EMS on side also. I used to be a volunteer firefighter as well.
Advanced Life Support.

[Tennsix]

Are you deputy jones from Reno911?!?! :D
LOl no...

[medic15al]

we are pushing the nickle grey w/ black epaulets and grey matching stripe along with forest green w/ tan stripe and tan piping along the epaulets and pocket flaps now.

The grey/black two-tone is a sharp uniform combo!

[N. A. Corbier]

I'm actually in the middle of a uniform redesign myself... But we've decided on the grey/black two-tones from Quartermaster... (Grey shirt w/ black pockets/epaulets, black trousers w/ grey stripe)

The only department that wears this color scheme is a County Sheriffs agency 50 miles away, so there's very little chance of anyone mistaking us for PD, but it still gives a very professional appearance. I'll get a pic when we get them in. ;)

EDIT: N.A.: Those nickel grey you mentioned are really nice. A friend of mine runs a company in the Portland area, and they switched to those... They're darker than the standard grey, but still light enough to offset the black trousers. :D

I have an ace in the whole when it comes to astetics. (However you spell that.) My girlfriend, before her current field of study (AAS-RN), went to 3 years of college to be in computer animation. That means 3 years of traditional and computer art school, at Art Institute of Chicago.

When I think of something about the uniforms, etc, I run it by her. She is the "average citizen," as one of my posts indicated. That means when she looks at a uniform, she looks at the shiny badge and the color and not much else. But she does notice such things like "That color looks wrong," and "that looks too much like KPD," and "That duty gear looks bad. That... Uncle Mikes?"

So, if I glance at someone, I've just inventoried their duty rig, their badge, their nameplate, their patches, and their shoes... She's going, "oooh, police mans."

Ok, looked at my QM catalog. The item is S31-220 Slate Grey. The darker of the two. For those of you with the newest LE catalog from Quartermasters, they have a picture of a fully "worn" uniform on page 23. We're missing the power supply for my GF's scanner (Its buried in a box somewhere) so I can't scan it in. Slate Grey pants, Slate Grey shirts. If I can find it, Slate Grey tie.

[Tennsix]

Intermediate? Critical Care? Paramedic? CCEMTP?
EMT-P. Don't it anymore but I still do some teaching.

[EMTGuard]

On topic-
Our Company uniforms are Blue over navy and examples can be seen at our company website at- http://www.amcitguard.com/

Note...recently those of us posted to the facility where I work have switched to an all black uniform. I like the blue shirts better than the new black uniform shirts.

EDIT_ August 20, 2007- The website mentioned above has changed and no longer shows our officers in the uniforms we normally wear. Instead it has photos which appear to be pulled from generic Security sites.

[Mr. Security]

On topic-
Our Company uniforms are Blue over navy and examples can be seen at our company website at- http://www.amcitguard.com/

Note...recently those of us posted to the facility where I work have switched to an all black uniform. I like the blue shirts better than the new black uniform shirts.

Very sharp. I like it. I also agree that the blue shirts do look better.

[1stWatch]

Midnight blue shirt, leather gear and boots, top hat, and Han Solo pants.

[N. A. Corbier]

What DOES make uniform pants blouse out like that, anyway? Are you wearing calvary pants? Are they a size too big?

I know that a wrinkled front (horizontal wrinkles going up the lap area) indicates the pants are one half size too small. I don't know what causes the "Han Solo" look, though.

[Lawson]

http://myspace-395.vo.llnwd.net/00443/59/35/443425395_m.jpg


http://i3.tinypic.com/wldfcx.jpg
Heres me.

[EMTjon]

don't know what causes the "Han Solo" look, though.

I belive the "Han Solo" comment is based on a red-stripe on navy pants - as seen on Han Solo in the Star Wars movies ;).

[EMTGuard]

Photo of me in older, blue uniform.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/635/uniformcitln4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-20

[EMTGuard]

More recent photo of me in our new black uniform shirts.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7654/meworkeditedob8.jpg
Shot at 2006-11-27

[Mr. Security]

Our site is changing uniforms. No more blazer look!!! :)

[Charger]

There's a small, slightly dated pic of my current uniform on my myspace page..

http://www.myspace.com/chikan69

(Don't laugh too hard now guys.. ;) )

[N. A. Corbier]

There are no pictures of me on the internet. :)

And it'll take awhile till I have a nice uniform and all to post. :)

[medic15al]

Guys, I thank you for all the suggestions! We have narrowed it down to the following:
Forest Green with tan stripe and tan piping on epaulets and flaps
Tan shirt w/ OD green pants w/ tan stripe (kinda like LA sheriff's uniforms)
Nickel grey shirt w/ black epaulets and black pants w/ matching stripe
Black shirt w/ grey epaulets and grey pants w/ black stripe


Now vote on the above and let me Know!

BTW, the badge will be a 7 point star, not common in Alabama, I only know of two PDs that use that badge. UAB police in B'ham and Snead Police.

[Charger]

Well, we're getting ready to switch to the nickel / black, as I mentioned before, so I'm partial to that setup.. ;)

The solid color with offset piping is a very formal look, and it's nice to see someone considering it... It doesn't get used enough in my opinion...
Personally, I've never liked uniforms that have the shirt darker than the trousers, so I wouldn't vote for the black shirt/grey pants..
The company I used to work for used the LASO uniforms for patrol... They're nice, but a little plain, and you tend to get a lot of people saying "What are you, a park ranger?!"

So out of the 4 you listed there, I'd go with either the nickel/black, or the solid green w/ piping..

//.02 cents ;)

[N. A. Corbier]

I'd go with Slate Grey (Darker) and Black, personally, rather than Nickel Grey.

The Green sounds nice.

[histfan71]

I vote for the green. It is a very sharp look, especially with a gold badge and gold nametag. Instead of the piping you mention think about gold "P" buttons on the shirt pocket flaps and epaulettes.

I have never liked stripes on pants because I always think it makes you look like a bellboy.

[Tennsix]

What really is the difference between the "P" and "S" jacket buttons?
p=police
s=sheriff

[N. A. Corbier]

I vote for the green. It is a very sharp look, especially with a gold badge and gold nametag. Instead of the piping you mention think about gold "P" buttons on the shirt pocket flaps and epaulettes.

I have never liked stripes on pants because I always think it makes you look like a bellboy.

Agreed. I'm thinking of putting the little silver buttons on the pocket flaps and epaulettes of the "regular uniform." BDUs, of course, won't be cursed with the shinies. Emboridery all the way. :)

[medic15al]

p=police
s=sheriff
"S" could also stand for Security as well.

[Tennsix]

"S" could also stand for Security as well.
Yes, that could apply as well but sheriff is what "S" means on the buttons. Personally, I hate those things. I used to wear them at my previous dept and i hated them with a passion.

[N. A. Corbier]

Yes, that could apply as well but sheriff is what "S" means on the buttons. Personally, I hate those things. I used to wear them at my previous dept and i hated them with a passion.

They make ones that are just brushed metal, they tend to look nice, but not "too nice," like the P and S buttons.

Uniformity sells them, I think IPC uses them.

[Charger]

Personal opinion - Leave the metal buttons for the jackets... They look gaudy & out of place on the uniform shirts...

//.02 ;)

[EMTGuard]

I wore the silver buttons on my uniform when I worked for LA Dept of Corrections. They were a required part of the uniform and were a constant pain in the butt.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m229/cellblock776/GRDSTEVE.jpg

[N. A. Corbier]

Personal opinion - Leave the metal buttons for the jackets... They look gaudy & out of place on the uniform shirts...

//.02 ;)

Thinking about it, the jackets are probably going to be 5.11 5-in-1s (That should keep people warm without suffocating people), so I may just drop the damn buttons all together. :)

[EMTGuard]

I perfered the La DOC Field Unifrom that the Field Unit wore when taking inmates out on work details. Blue BDUs with boonie hat to keep the sun off of your head while standing or sitting on horseback all day while inmates worked in the gardens. Nearly everyone had a Camelback hydration system. Officers were armed with both a revolver and a Mini-14 rifle or shotgun.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m229/cellblock776/field10.jpg

[N. A. Corbier]

I perfered the La DOC Field Unifrom that the Field Unit wore when taking inmates out on work details. Blue BDUs with boonie hat to keep the sun off of your head while standing or sitting on horseback all day while inmates worked in the gardens. Nearly everyone had a Camelback hydration system. Officers were armed with both a revolver and a Mini-14 rifle or shotgun.

Embroidered or metal badge?

[EMTGuard]

Embroidered or metal badge? Patch sewed on to the BDU shirt.
The word HUNT on the patch means the officer works at Elayn Hunt Correctional Center.

[N. A. Corbier]

Patch sewed on to the BDU shirt.
The word HUNT on the patch means the officer works at Elayn Hunt Correctional Center.

Embroidered patches are always superior to silkscreen or metal badges on BDUs. Thanks. :)

[1stWatch]

What DOES make uniform pants blouse out like that, anyway? Are you wearing calvary pants? Are they a size too big?

I know that a wrinkled front (horizontal wrinkles going up the lap area) indicates the pants are one half size too small. I don't know what causes the "Han Solo" look, though.

They don't blouse. They are the correct size. Perhaps I should get a better photo of that. They are creased in the front. The Han Solo comment was a smartass take on the red stripe on the side of the black pants, the same as what the movie character wore with a black vest.

[N. A. Corbier]

They don't blouse. They are the correct size. Perhaps I should get a better photo of that. They are creased in the front. The Han Solo comment was a smartass take on the red stripe on the side of the black pants, the same as what the movie character wore with a black vest.

Heh. If I remember correctly, Han Solo wore calvary pants that were black with the red stripe.

Also, you get problems with Marines asking how you earned your Blood Stripe?

[1stWatch]

Heh. If I remember correctly, Han Solo wore calvary pants that were black with the red stripe.

Also, you get problems with Marines asking how you earned your Blood Stripe?

That's what these are, black with a red stripe. Problems with Marines? Not at all.

[EMTGuard]

Heh. If I remember correctly, Han Solo wore calvary pants that were black with the red stripe.

Also, you get problems with Marines asking how you earned your Blood Stripe?
The Corrections Uniform I wore had a red stripe down the legs. Never heard any comments about it.

[Mercy-8]

At our Hosptial, we were the same uniform as the San Diego Police Dept. (Dark Blue Shirt, Dark Blue Pants, black boots, and Sam Browne Duty Belts. Our bades are brass shields with the hospital name and Security imprinted in blue with the California State seal in the center.

Overall, it seems to deter most crimes of opportunity when we are in the vicinity due, mostly, to the fact that we are often mistaken for SD Police Officers. This perception is a double edged sword as you can imagine. We are often asked the legalities of certain situations and instances (which we are not "typically" qualified to render a judgement. The missperception DOES allow for a certain degree of communication and cooperation that we might not normally enjoy in a more "singular style" uniform.

Thats my two cents...

[N. A. Corbier]

That's such a BS concept. I'm sure guys coming out of Marines Basic Training have earned their Blood Stripe. :confused:

That's usually the people who would ask. I need to quantify, the company name originally for the uniforms I speak of was "Leatherneck Security." Can anyone guess the owner's former vocation? 0311

[rentalpork]

We have navy blue pants and a light blue long or short sleeve shirt. Our badge has our company name on it (It's a 6 point silver star type badge) We also have the option of wearing one of the company light blue polo style shirts with our logo on it in the summer. We also have a ballcap we wear that has our company logo embroidered on it. We have a sam browne belt and can carry an expandable baton or straight baton, handcuffs, OC spray and one of those first aid masks.

[EMTGuard]

one of those first aid masks. Rental, by "First aid mask" I assume you mean a CPR pocket mask. If you have one of those then go ahead and get a pouch for a couple of pairs of Nonlatex gloves too. They will come in handy if you ever have to help a patient.

[OccamsRazor]

Black shirt, grey slacks (yes, I hate it too), full duty belt. Badge is a generic "enforcement officer" one per contract rules, company patch on the left sleeve, flag with "security" embroidered underneath on the right sleeve. Pics if I remember later.

[FoxGhost]

http://www.intermin.fi/turvavalvontayksikko
Top left of the page.Only half decent picture of our uniform i could find.The site belongs to a bureau that is supposed to monitor the industry :rolleyes:

The text on their backs is "guard" in finnish.On the front we have the same text, though smaller on the left side of the chest with the company logo beneath it.The caps you see also have the same text on front.The material is some kind of artificial slick stuff on both jacket&pants.Both dirt and dirtbags have a hard time sticking to it :p The jackets are shown with the hem tucked in to the pants.This is the uniform i usually wear.We do have a "soft" uniform too: Light blue collared shirt, dark blue tie with red stripes and gray pants.And even a blazer to go with it *barf* Thankfully, i rarely have to wear that.

FoxGhost

[N. A. Corbier]

http://www.intermin.fi/turvavalvontayksikko
Top left of the page.Only half decent picture of our uniform i could find.The site belongs to a bureau that is supposed to monitor the industry :rolleyes:

The text on their backs is "guard" in finnish.On the front we have the same text, though smaller on the left side of the chest with the company logo beneath it.The caps you see also have the same text on front.The material is some kind of artificial slick stuff on both jacket&pants.Both dirt and dirtbags have a hard time sticking to it :p The jackets are shown with the hem tucked in to the pants.This is the uniform i usually wear.We do have a "soft" uniform too: Light blue collared shirt, dark blue tie with red stripes and gray pants.And even a blazer to go with it *barf* Thankfully, i rarely have to wear that.

FoxGhost

Lot of folks don't realize that you should tuck your windbreaker into your pants if your wearing a duty rig, so that 1) You don't violate concealed carry laws with your baton, pepper spray, or firearm; 2) you can actually get to those items and your radio when you need to.

[ycaso77]

white shirt, navy pants with black stripe ( same as city and university police upper ranks-talk about confusion). Assorted patrol jackets, commando sweaters and turtlenecks. Basically off the rack police uniforms with the security patch replacing the pd one.

[Charger]

ERGH....

Did I mention earlier I am not fond of our owner? ;) Apparently our suggestions for the new uniforms (black trousers, grey shirt with black flaps/epaulets) went completely in one ear and out the other....

Without further ado, here's me in our new <vomit> uniforms... :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Chikan69/000_0531.jpg

On the bright side, he DID take our suggestions for new radio equipment... so at least we got half of what we asked for... I suppose.... :(

[bigdog]

Lot of folks don't realize that you should tuck your windbreaker into your pants if your wearing a duty rig, so that 1) You don't violate concealed carry laws with your baton, pepper spray, or firearm; 2) you can actually get to those items and your radio when you need to.

nathan you dont need a ccw for oc in florida anyway. if you want ill post the statute.

[GCMC Security]

That's such a BS concept. I'm sure guys coming out of Marines Basic Training have earned their Blood Stripe. :confused:

No Marines coming out of Recruit Training have NOT earned their Blood Stripe. The Blood Strip is earned when you become a Non-Commisioned Officer

[Mr. Security]

Non-latex is garbage.....

Why do you say that?

[GCMC Security]

They never fit right and they're permeable.

Come into my hospital you won't find any latex gloves. We are a Latex Free environment. We don't even allow Latex balloons in our Women's Center (maternity ward)

[Mr. Security]

Where's your tie or turtleneck? Get that shirt tailored and you're wearing pants that are too small for your waist size. Shave off that goatee while you're at it, too.

Some people have no sense of pride in their uniform, if I was your supervisor and you showed up for work like that, you'd be sent home.

A little harsh and critical, wouldn't you agree? If you want to motivate people to accept your point-of-view, kindness and tact are far more effective than character assassination. Even if you are right, people will not listen to you if use words that offend and cause feelings of anger.

Someday, as an EMT, you may be called to the scene of someone on the verge of committing suicide. How beneficial and lifesaving it could be to speak to that individual in such a manner as not to exacerbate the crisis. Practicing tact on a regular basis will make it natural for you to do so if and when that time should come. Just something to think about. :)

[Mr. Security]

They never fit right and they're permeable.

Actually, if you check Lab Safety Supply (LSS), you can find non-latex gloves that do not have the undesirable characteristics that you mention.

[Charger]

Where's your tie or turtleneck? Get that shirt tailored and you're wearing pants that are too small for your waist size. Shave off that goatee while you're at it, too.

Some people have no sense of pride in their uniform, if I was your supervisor and you showed up for work like that, you'd be sent home.

We don't wear ties, and turtlenecks are not required. Do YOU want to pay for my shirt to be tailored? Because I know for DAMN sure our owner wont. Not sure what you mean by the pants, as they fit fine. The goatee stays whether you like it or not. Management already OKd it when they HIRED me with it, and I look to be about 15 years old without it.

I DO have pride in my uniform thank you very much, and although it's damn ugly, I do my best to make it look decent with what I have. As Mr. Security said, learn some tact. Your post made me wonder if you were the Mayor in disguise.. :rolleyes:

[N. A. Corbier]

Where's your tie or turtleneck? Get that shirt tailored and you're wearing pants that are too small for your waist size. Shave off that goatee while you're at it, too.

Some people have no sense of pride in their uniform, if I was your supervisor and you showed up for work like that, you'd be sent home.

Ok, I'll explain something about the pants. They don't fit correctly, but you don't know that because they feel like they fit. Its the cut of the pants.

When you have horizontal wrinkles in your pants, its because they're not fitting properly. A former employer explained this to me, and made sure I recieved pants that fit properly without wrinkles in the front when I stood or sit.

Long sleeves, for me, require a tie (ew) or dickie (or a turtleneck, its gets damned cold up here). I, for one, will spend the 6 damned dollars to have a uniform shirt tailored for an employee, because the employee is a walking bill-board.

The question, of course, is will my financial backers let me spend the 6 damned dollars... More on that later, folks.

[Mr. Security]

No, I wouldn't agree.

How would you describe it?

[Mr. Security]

Telling the truth. More people need to try it these days.

One can still be tactful AND tell the truth.

[Mr. Security]

Nitrile or polypropylene gloves will never fit correctly because they don't have the elasticity of latex. Also, there's no manufacturer that makes a non-latex glove that's impermeable.

I checked LSS, Item #5BW-54521, Synthetic Vinyl Exam Gloves, and it reads as follows: "These gloves look like latex, feel like latex and have a barrier performance EQUAL to that of latex. But they are not latex! That means you don't have to worry about latex allergy reaction.

That directly contradicts your last statement.

[Mr. Security]

LSS is involved in false advertising activities then. Studies by the NYS Dept. of Health showed that non-latex gloves don't come anywhere near the BSI standards of latex.

Can you refer me to one of their studies? LSS doesn't seem like the kind of company that would intentionally be involved with false advertising because of the potential liability they would incur if this product is used to handle contaminated body fluids.

[GCMC Security]

I use latex free everyday, if anyone is curious on the brand then i will check monday when i go in

[Mr. Security]

I'll check it out.

[Mr. Security]

Unable to locate any study to support your statement regarding the above. Suggest looking at your hard copy for a direct link.

[Charger]

Then your company needs to revamp the uniform and appearance policy, you look sloppy and unprofessional. I can also see that your company has no physical agility standard, either. I hope for the client's sake that you don't have to chase anyone...

Did you not read the part at the beginning of my post about me NOT liking these uniforms?
Actually I can and have chased people. Successfully, I might add. But I'm not here to get in a pissing match with someone who I don't know from Adam. We're supposed to be here to help and support each other. I understand some people have a hard time with tact, but remember that security and LE work is 99% customer service. You HAVE to be able to keep your attitude in check, even if you feel that telling the truth is the best policy. Sloppy and unprofessional indeed.

[Charger]

Ok, I'll explain something about the pants. They don't fit correctly, but you don't know that because they feel like they fit. Its the cut of the pants.

When you have horizontal wrinkles in your pants, its because they're not fitting properly. A former employer explained this to me, and made sure I recieved pants that fit properly without wrinkles in the front when I stood or sit.

Long sleeves, for me, require a tie (ew) or dickie (or a turtleneck, its gets damned cold up here). I, for one, will spend the 6 damned dollars to have a uniform shirt tailored for an employee, because the employee is a walking bill-board.

The question, of course, is will my financial backers let me spend the 6 damned dollars... More on that later, folks.

Interesting.. Unfortunately the owner only bought 2 sizes of pants, so my choices were somewhat limited... :rolleyes:
Must be a difference from the regions then. Around here, the ONLY time you see ANY Officers (security or LEO) wearing ties is when they're in dress uniform for funerals, parades, etc.. Turtlenecks generally only get worn during the coldest parts of winter. Most departments around here leave the underclothes to Officer discretion, as long as the shirt doesn't clash with the uniform's color.
The whole situation just irritates me. We did a lot of work researching uniforms, and found what we believed to be the best looking ones, for the best price... And instead of listening to us our owner bought a bunch of low-quality crap from some surplus place near his home in SoCal, and told us to "make it work." It's frustrating to think that I'm walking around wearing a $500 vest and about $900 worth of duty gear, and my owner only saw fit to give me what is probably a $10 uniform. :mad:

[EMTGuard]

I can also see that your company has no physical agility standard, either. I hope for the client's sake that you don't have to chase anyone... We don't have a physical agility standard and I don't know many companys that do. We certainly don't chase anyone.
Dude, get over yourself. Not everyone in security is living the high speed life you are.

[Mr. Security]

Hard copy, there's no link to a binder that sits in my bookcase.

No way for me to know that when I made the suggestion. For instance, if you downloaded it from a link found on the NYS site that you referred me to, the link address might have been printed on your copy. Since that is not the case with your copy, why don't you just post the part that supports what you said?

[Mr. Security]

I don't know you from Adam either, that's the point. I'm free to speak to you as I wish. Obviously I wouldn't speak to someone in person the way I did here, but since I don't know you and never will - it won't be an issue.

So basically, you admit that the way you speak to a member on this forum would not be acceptable to someone in person. Is this because you know that it's wrong?

[Charger]

No it's because there's no reprocussions to it. We always talk on here about the image of security to the public. Looking like a damn fool on the job site isn't exactly helping it.

No offense, but frankly if I looked like a 'damn fool' I wouldn't receive constant compliments from the client, tenants, and LEOs that come here. As I said, this may be a regional thing, but NO Officers around here wear ties on duty, and very few wear turtlenecks. So I apologize if I don't meet your local standards, but things are different in this neck of the woods. And while I may not be in perfect shape, I can assure you I get the job done. Personally, I laugh at the guys who try so hard to stay in perfect shape, because they're the ones who usually get dismissed for having an ego problem and letting it affect their job. That applies to both security and LE.
I'm curious then, do you feel that LEOs who are in say, their 40's, and may be slightly overweight, or not in pristine health, are no longer in proper condition to serve the public and should be dismissed? I think you'd find that you're in a very small minority if that's your opinion.

[Mr. Security]

No it's because there's no reprocussions to it. We always talk on here about the image of security to the public. Looking like a damn fool on the job site isn't exactly helping it.

So it's all right as long as you get away with it?

[HotelSecurity]

No offense, but frankly if I looked like a 'damn fool' I wouldn't receive constant compliments from the client, tenants, and LEOs that come here. As I said, this may be a regional thing, but NO Officers around here wear ties on duty, and very few wear turtlenecks. So I apologize if I don't meet your local standards, but things are different in this neck of the woods. And while I may not be in perfect shape, I can assure you I get the job done. Personally, I laugh at the guys who try so hard to stay in perfect shape, because they're the ones who usually get dismissed for having an ego problem and letting it affect their job. That applies to both security and LE.
I'm curious then, do you feel that LEOs who are in say, their 40's, and may be slightly overweight, or not in pristine health, are no longer in proper condition to serve the public and should be dismissed? I think you'd find that you're in a very small minority if that's your opinion.

Right on!!!

I turned 50 yesterday. I may not be in top shape but I definitely get the job done. (I know the difference between what security is supposed to do & those in the profession who are frustrated because they couldn't become sworn police officers). :p

[Mr. Security]

.....I'm curious then, do you feel that LEOs who are in say, their 40's, and may be slightly overweight, or not in pristine health, are no longer in proper condition to serve the public and should be dismissed? I think you'd find that you're in a very small minority if that's your opinion.

I know that the Vermont State Police have required physical strength and agility testing that the trooper must pass on a regular basis in order to continue their employment. They also have a mandatory retirement age of 50. Nevertheless, as you said, they probably constitute the minority in LE.

[Mr. Security]

Just stop. You're not going to prove me wrong, or prove that you're right. I'll respond to no more posts of yours on this matter.

No need to. You already proved it by condemning yourself with your own words.

[Charger]

I know that the Vermont State Police have required physical strength and agility testing that the trooper must pass on a regular basis in order to continue their employment. They also have a mandatory retirement age of 50. Nevertheless, as you said, they probably constitute the minority in LE.

I've noticed that a lot of the State LE agencies have routine physical requirements like this, while most of the city/county agencies only have an initial test. I don't want to backstep on what I said before and make it seem like out-of-shape people can't work in this field, but to me that almost seems backwards. State troopers spend most of their time doing traffic stops and running investigations, while the local Officers get into more of the foot pursuit type situations. Always seemed odd to me.
I'd have to doublecheck, but I believe the average retirement age around here is closer to 55.


That's absolutely the way I feel. Unfortunately, I know that this will never happen, so I have to deal with it. Luckily for now, I don't have to deal with it because there's yearly PAT exams here. Don't pass the PAT and you're gone. I don't need some chubby guy backing me up when it's my ass on the line.

So basically you're of that old-fashioned mentality that all Officers should look like body-builders, so that hopefully they can intimidate the subjects into not running in the first place. Makes sense I suppose, but these days when almost everyone you come in contact with is high on something, intimidation is no longer a factor.
As far as that last statement, all I can say is someday a 'chubby guy' will save your life, and you'll feel really guilty. :D

[Lawson]

I know this is a bit of a late chime in, but I have worked for 4 different security companies, have worked for a 2 police departments, including as a boat patrol officer and have been a police cadet for 4 years. Never in an unbuttoned uniform have I wore a turtleneck. It dont think it makes one look much better than a crew neck t-shirt. That is also a common sight in the pacific northwest, I know of only very few officers, deputies, (no troopers I know), S/Os or cadets that actually wear turtle-necks. Sometimes ties are not suitable for your site and should not be worn, i.e. as a console officer, I work in an office and wear a tie. When I work on a vehicle patrol or something of that nature, the tie stays at home and the top button comes undone revealing my t-shirt or even.... kevlar! :eek:

I am not in 100% tip-top shape, but I am well off enough to complete my duties, always have, and I dont plan to work a day that I cannot.

[Tennsix]

I wear a turtleneck almost everyday in the winter. We have to wear a tie or turtle neck while in winter uniforms. I prefer a turtleneck because it is warmer. I don't have to wear a coat with a vest and turtleneck.

[Mr. Security]

I wear a turtleneck almost everyday in the winter. We have to wear a tie or turtle neck while in winter uniforms. I prefer a turtleneck because it is warmer. I don't have to wear a coat with a vest and turtleneck.

Same with the police in this area.

[Lawson]

I personally, dont really like turtlenecks. I dont even like long sleeve shirts. When I can I wear my short sleeve, with a coat if I have to. But, I never wear a tie on my short sleeve. I think it is because WA gets a ton of rain and I dont like having long sleeves soaked for the rest of my shift if I get caught outside w/ no jacket... For some reason, I have no problem if I get soaked in a short sleeve :D :confused:

[Tennsix]

But the chic polyester we all wear dries pretty fast. :p

[Lawson]

:D

Its just something about having my forearms and elbows soaked in a shirt... bugs the hell out of me. My favorite uniform was as a boat officer for the PD, a Polo and shorts... no problems, even if I had to jump down into the water to assist a boat or person.

[Tennsix]

We have 65% polyester/35% cotton. That's a pretty good blend, IMO.
Same here. I have a couple 100% cotton shirts that are nice in the summer but wrinkle worse than a old lady in a bath tub.

[Lawson]

Same here, I have my shirts custom (for the most part) but I still just cant stand the feeling so I try to stick to short sleeves whenever I can. I rarely wear any kind of winter gear, I usually wear my t-shirt, vest, s/sleeve uniform, and a wind/rain jacket.

[Charger]

Yup, like I said, it's a regional thing. Over here we don't get the really harsh, cold winters that you guys have back east. We might get a couple weeks here and there where the temperature drops considerably, (those are the rare times you'll see turtlenecks), but for the most part we just get lots and lots of rain. The thinner, lightweight windbreaker style jackets are much more common around here than the big thick ones. Heck, the PD in this town has 2 choices of coats: Windbreaker style, or the black/royal blue bike patrol style, (which most of them seem to choose for the more modern look).
You simply don't see ties worn while on duty, because of the safety risk. Everybody knows by now, (or I would HOPE everybody knows by now), that standard ties are a choking hazard in a scuffle. But even the "breakaway" clip-on ties are a hazard, because they can still be used to pull the Officer off balance before they breakaway from the shirt.
One thing I neglected to mention earlier though, regarding the undershirt being "Officer's discretion", is V-neck Ts are not allowed. One's chest hair is best kept to themself. ;)

EDIT: Regarding the wet sleeves.. Never really bothered me that much, but I'll tell you what DID.. One of the companies I used to work for issued the standard fur-collar bomber jackets to us... They were great on those really cold nights, but when it rained? There's no "icky"er feeling than having soaking wet fur rubbing your neck all night... LOL

[davis002]

I'm not going to re-type a roughly 40-page study, sorry.

How about just giving us a few direct quotes from this mysterious report? That way some of us can properly fact check your statements...

[N. A. Corbier]

I'm just kinda interested in the title of the report, year published, and any ISBN or NYDOH number on it. That's about all you need to get your own copy, or a citation from it.

I used to use Nitrile High-Risk gloves, because that's what was issued to us at one site.

[EMTGuard]

Well, winter is about over, what little winter we get here in the deep south, and yesterday our supervisor got our jacket sizes. Seems that we will be getting windbreakers for patrols on those cool nights finally. I've just been using my zip up hoody. Oh well, at least I'll have it if I'm still with the company next winter.

[Mr. Security]

Our new uniforms (traditional; not "soft") are here! :)

And so are our new SQUARE badges. :eek:
(Thick enough to stop a .22 :rolleyes: )

[EMTGuard]

Our new uniforms (traditional; not "soft") are here! :)

And so are our new SQUARE badges. :eek:
(Thick enough to stop a .22 :rolleyes: ) Congrats on getting the new threads. What do they look like? Description or photos please.

[N. A. Corbier]

Congrats on getting the new threads. What do they look like? Description or photos please.
Plz to be posting photo of square badge, plz.

Er, wait, wrong forum. Anyway, yes, we would love to see these new uniforms. Also, if you don't want to post yourself, just lay the uniform out and take a pic. :)

[Charger]

Funny... good news and bad news for us today, too... Our manager ordered the nice grey/black uniforms we wanted, and they arrived today... Complete with nice shiny new badges.. (Not square, thank goodness.. lol) So we finally got what we wanted... Oh and yes, they're actually in OUR sizes, instead of old surplus take-what-you-get stuff...

The downside? Since the owner doesn't know about the purchase yet, during his quarterly visits, we have to wear the crappy blues he gave us... LOL

She made us try them on straight out of the packages, before we had a chance to iron them or actually put our vests/gear on... But here we are... I'm on the left, supervisor's on the right, and our new rookie is in the middle... Don't laugh too hard now guys... ;)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Chikan69/Unis.jpg

[Lawson]

I just took over as a Wackenhut Supervisor for an account we just won. The client is very open to my ideas and basically wants me to run security the way I want it.

We are going to have a bike patrol, so we will be getting Black BDU pants, yellow polos with "SECURITY" Reflective, and a reflective jacket. I will post pics when I get some good ones.

[Charger]

I hope you're not gonna make your guys wear reflective yellow at night? Daytime is fine, but at night, that's like walkin around with a bullseye painted on your back.. just a thought.. :D

[N. A. Corbier]

I hope you're not gonna make your guys wear reflective yellow at night? Daytime is fine, but at night, that's like walkin around with a bullseye painted on your back.. just a thought.. :D
If your running a bike unit at night, they should have reflective traffic vests stored in their bike racks, but that'd be about the only reflective stuff they should have on. :)

[1stWatch]

I used to work bike patrol at a 4,000 unit apartment complex. Reflective gear was counterproductive in a place like that since it gave away our position and part of the job was responding to disturbances and detaining suspects. Much of the riding in that place was done on the sidewalks and in the breezeways as well as on the parking lot and private roads themselves. However, if I had to ride a bike at a place like a hotel or shopping center I would want the reflective gear.

[Mr. Security]

Congrats on getting the new threads. What do they look like? Description or photos please.

Thank you sir. :)

As far as posting pictures, well let's just say that not all my posts have been flattering to my current employer. :D So, to ensure that I continue to have a job, it may be prudent to defer that request until and if I work for another security company. ;)

[Mr. Security]

....
She made us try them on straight out of the packages, before we had a chance to iron them or actually put our vests/gear on... But here we are... I'm on the left, supervisor's on the right, and our new rookie is in the middle... Don't laugh too hard now guys... ;)

I like the two tone shirts. :) But you guys forgot to suck in the old guts for the picture....:D

[EMTGuard]

Bridgegate,
Nice looking uniforms. You guys are looking sharp.
:cool:

[Lawson]

For my site, during the daytime Reflective gear is required. They will probably want to wear the reflective gear at night anyway as it is there are only 2 jackets I am authorizing for bike patrol. That is the windbreaker and the reflective jacket.

We are not out to detain, or respond to disturbances. We are not armed, we are not the police. We are out there for a high visibility. Basically if we can rid our site of unwanteds, just by our presence, that is what we want. We are to deter, not apprehend. That is how it is right now, I am hoping to re-write the policies a bit, but that seems to be what the client is shooting for. I think we are going to work quite well.

I would rather have them wear the reflective gear at night. I do not want any insurance company trying to feed us any malarkey if someone gets hit while riding.

[Charger]

We are not out to detain, or respond to disturbances. We are not armed, we are not the police. We are out there for a high visibility. Basically if we can rid our site of unwanteds, just by our presence, that is what we want. We are to deter, not apprehend. That is how it is right now, I am hoping to re-write the policies a bit, but that seems to be what the client is shooting for. I think we are going to work quite well.

I would rather have them wear the reflective gear at night. I do not want any insurance company trying to feed us any malarkey if someone gets hit while riding.

Fair enough... If you're strictly going for the high-visibility visual deterrant type of thing, then the bright shirts would work well... Out of curiosity though, do you guys wear ballistics? Just because you're not armed doesn't mean suspects aren't. All it takes is one gutsy suspect with a gun, to see that bright yellow shirt and start shooting...

[Charger]

I like the two tone shirts. :) But you guys forgot to suck in the old guts for the picture....:D

LOL :D

Honestly, I think my supervisor WAS sucking in... As for mine, I'm hoping I won't have to for much longer... I just signed up to join the kung fu academy my kids are going through.. The adult classes are a lot more intense, and I'm hoping it'll help get rid of the root beer belly... ;)

[Lawson]

Fair enough... If you're strictly going for the high-visibility visual deterrant type of thing, then the bright shirts would work well... Out of curiosity though, do you guys wear ballistics? Just because you're not armed doesn't mean suspects aren't. All it takes is one gutsy suspect with a gun, to see that bright yellow shirt and start shooting...

You can wear ballistics if you have them.

[EMTGuard]

Nobody that I work with wears ballistics, as far as I know. I agree that we are there to be a visible deterent and anyone crazy to start popping off rounds at us needs to be handled by the cops.

[Mr. Security]

LOL :D

Honestly, I think my supervisor WAS sucking in...

That's funny. :) I think most of us, including myself, have to fight the 'battle of the bulge' once we get into our forties. I need to drop 10 LBS and it seems like I lose 3 and then gain 2-1/2. :eek:

[knotquiteawake]

Here's a picture a coworker put on his myspace a while back. The two guys are indeed twins. The light blue shirt is our current uniform, once armed they are considering keeping the light blue for trainees who are not armed, and go back to our old dark blue (LAPD blue) for the armed Officers. Oh, and we all wear ballistics (by that we mean kevlar right?), even before being armed, its just a really good idea if you work in any fash where you might have to confront a criminal.

http://myspace-349.vo.llnwd.net/00287/94/39/287439349_l.jpg

[HotelSecurity]

Nobody that I work with wears ballistics, as far as I know. I agree that we are there to be a visible deterent and anyone crazy to start popping off rounds at us needs to be handled by the cops.

I don't know of any security in Montreal that wears vest either except people that work armoured cars & the transit security people.

[OccamsRazor]

Here's a picture a coworker put on his myspace a while back. The two guys are indeed twins. The light blue shirt is our current uniform, once armed they are considering keeping the light blue for trainees who are not armed, and go back to our old dark blue (LAPD blue) for the armed Officers. Oh, and we all wear ballistics (by that we mean kevlar right?), even before being armed, its just a really good idea if you work in any fash where you might have to confront a criminal.

http://myspace-349.vo.llnwd.net/00287/94/39/287439349_l.jpg

Is that a...radar...on the dashboard?

[N. A. Corbier]

Is that a...radar...on the dashboard?

Looks like it. If they're certified to run radar, they may be using the radar as part of the campus safety policy, i.e.

If a student is speeding, a complaint is filed by campus safety with the dean, resulting in a "traffic ticket."

If a faculty member is speeding, a complaint is filed by campus safety with the human resources department, resulting in a "traffic ticket."

If someone who isn't governed by the disciplinary process is speeding, they are ejected from the campus.

The hard part, of course, is getting folks not governed to stop. Its easy to get someone who may be thrown out of college to stop, or their employment terminated for failure to yield.

[Tennsix]

Looks like it. If they're certified to run radar, they may be using the radar as part of the campus safety policy, i.e.

If a student is speeding, a complaint is filed by campus safety with the dean, resulting in a "traffic ticket."

If a faculty member is speeding, a complaint is filed by campus safety with the human resources department, resulting in a "traffic ticket."

If someone who isn't governed by the disciplinary process is speeding, they are ejected from the campus.

The hard part, of course, is getting folks not governed to stop. Its easy to get someone who may be thrown out of college to stop, or their employment terminated for failure to yield.
Yeah... That explains something that happened to me once. I was running RADAR and went to stop a guy. He finally stopped off-campus. He claimed we couldn'd do anything about because we couldn't write tickets and we couldn't stop him off-campus.

[N. A. Corbier]

Yeah... That explains something that happened to me once. I was running RADAR and went to stop a guy. He finally stopped off-campus. He claimed we couldn'd do anything about because we couldn't write tickets and we couldn't stop him off-campus.

Did you cite him for fleeing and eluding, or just look at him sternly and write him the traffic citation?

[Tennsix]

Did you cite him for fleeing and eluding, or just look at him sternly and write him the traffic citation?
I took him to jail. Fleeing in a vehicle is a felony here. He got a couple of traffic tickets too.

[N. A. Corbier]

I took him to jail. Fleeing in a vehicle is a felony here. He got a couple of traffic tickets too.

That works. :) I figured the citation for fleeing and eluding would result in a physical arrest. :)

[histfan71]

Reminds me of something that happened to me when I was working at the college. I caught a guy breaking into a vehicle in one of our parking lots so I arrested him for burglary. During the arrest the guy obeyed my commands and did not resist.

Once I got him into my unit and was driving him to the city jail for booking he told me that as a security guard I could not transport him anywhere and that I had to call the "real police" to come and get him. I told him that I was the "real police", not a security guard, and that if he didn't believe me it said "police" on my shoulder patches, "police" on my badge, and "police" in big blue letters on the side of the car he was riding in.

When we got to the city jail the guy actually told the jailer working intake that he wanted to place me under citizen's arrest for kidnapping. The jailer responded, without looking up from her computer screen, "Shut the f*** up and sit down!" I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing out loud.

I never did ask the guy what made him think I was a security guard and how he knew so much about the laws of arrest, but now I wish I had. The guy did turn out to have an extensive criminal record, so that probably
explains it.

[Tennsix]

Shut the f*** up and sit down!
Isn't that jail speak for "Welcome to our humble facility, fine citizen".

[knotquiteawake]

it is radar. And we don't just file a complaint, we conduct traffic stops on campus. As part of our MOU with LASD we have authorization to enforce our traffic laws on campus and as such we can conduct code-3 traffic stops for vehicle violations. People must stop for us because while we are on duty we have Peace Officer power of arrest and detainment, which means if they flee it is evading a "peace officer" type situation. If someone evades us off campus we have to discontinue code-3 pursuit but will follow a short distance if necessary until the Sheriff shows up to pull them over.

[histfan71]

it is radar. And we don't just file a complaint, we conduct traffic stops on campus. As part of our MOU with LASD we have authorization to enforce our traffic laws on campus and as such we can conduct code-3 traffic stops for vehicle violations. People must stop for us because while we are on duty we have Peace Officer power of arrest and detainment, which means if they flee it is evading a "peace officer" type situation. If someone evades us off campus we have to discontinue code-3 pursuit but will follow a short distance if necessary until the Sheriff shows up to pull them over.

If you guys are authorizied to make traffic stops, why don't your units have light bars? Does your chief think you will be tempted to light people up off-campus?

[knotquiteawake]

we have strobes on the corners, a red and blue behind the grill and a red takedown light in front of the mirror. and a red and yellow in the rear window.

[N. A. Corbier]

I don't think I'd see red and blue grille lights. Those were always "secondary warning" lights to me. Do you have any dash lighting in the vehicles?

[OccamsRazor]

I don't think I'd see red and blue grille lights. Those were always "secondary warning" lights to me. Do you have any dash lighting in the vehicles?

You should see some of the CHP cars we had in California...A single red steady burning light over the rearview, and wig wags.

[OccamsRazor]

it is radar. And we don't just file a complaint, we conduct traffic stops on campus. As part of our MOU with LASD we have authorization to enforce our traffic laws on campus and as such we can conduct code-3 traffic stops for vehicle violations. People must stop for us because while we are on duty we have Peace Officer power of arrest and detainment, which means if they flee it is evading a "peace officer" type situation. If someone evades us off campus we have to discontinue code-3 pursuit but will follow a short distance if necessary until the Sheriff shows up to pull them over.

So are the traffic stops only for campus vehicle rules? Because as I read the relative Penal Code, it only applies to arrest authority, not enforcement of the CVC.

Where do you guys do the PC832 classes? Is it an in-house thing?

[knotquiteawake]

We do PC-832 at either Rio Hondo Police Academy (thats where i took my class) or Orange County Sheriff's Academy.

I'm not totally sure about the vehicle stops, i know for sure we pull over for campus things like the 15mph speed limit. But we also do stuff like stops for reckless driving (which is a campus rule as well as CVC). For any serious thing we call out the sheriff, like one time when we pulled over a girl who didn't have a licence to drive.

[OccamsRazor]

We do PC-832 at either Rio Hondo Police Academy (thats where i took my class) or Orange County Sheriff's Academy.

And how did you like Rio Hondo? :D

But seriously, is Mueller still doing the shoots there? That man is downright scary good with a weapon.

[knotquiteawake]

Rio Hondo looks and feels pretty old and rundown. The the quality of the instructors were top notch though. I did not take part in the firearms training, my department will be doing a separate, longer, and more indepth training for guns. I'm not sure if we will be using Rio Hondo or OC Sheriff though.

I take it you went to or know someone at Rio Hondo?

[S/O245]

LOL you to. I hated them things. When i was a police explorer we had to wear them on the uniforms. Silver buttons. ANd i was always droping a disk or somethin lol. One time i had to use a small safety pin lol.


Yes, that could apply as well but sheriff is what "S" means on the buttons. Personally, I hate those things. I used to wear them at my previous dept and i hated them with a passion.

[Tennsix]

When you order shirt without plastic buttons, you have to cut open the buttons holes. I got pretty good at that.

[metalgolem]

My company supplied me with a black shortsleeve polyester shirt (Security over the left breast pocket and company patches on the shoulder) and a yellow high-visibility jacket (with our company name silkscreened on the back.

I like the shirt as it's easy to wash and dry and tends to be wrinkle resistant.
In winter or cold weather, I wear a black longsleeve turtleneck sweater or
a mock turtleneck sweater. In summer or warmer weather I wear a lightweight black t-shirt under it.

Our company rules state we are to wear black pants and black shoes.
Black socks are also suggested. Although none of these are supplied.

I am a mobile patrol supervisor and I do some static sites as well; although
I am usually driving, patrolling sites and checking on guards at manned sites.

My pants are black BDU's (made by Propper) which I find really comfortable
and they look professional too.

My boots are Magnum Stealths which for me, are the most comfortable boots to wear (IMHO) for driving, patrolling or standing for any length of time.

[1stWatch]

LOL you to. I hated them things. When i was a police explorer we had to wear them on the uniforms. Silver buttons. ANd i was always droping a disk or somethin lol. One time i had to use a small safety pin lol.

I used to have that problem when I had those little brads that stick straight on behind the button over the washer. Now I have spiral brads and the buttons never pop off.

[EMTGuard]

Bumped to the top so ARFF312 and others can post pics of their uniforms here.

[EMTGuard]

I updated my posts on page 4 of this thread. The first post included a link to my companies website saying taht it had photos of what our uniforms look like. The website was changed and now had generic security webshots of models in uniforms which look nothing like we wear.
I also had 2 posts on that page which included photos of our uniforms but they had become little red Xes so I reposted the URLs and now you can see my smiling face again.
Anyone who had photos on earlier pages should check to make sure the links are still working. Otherwise we have page after page of little red Xes.

[War113]

Me for the commissionaires...

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6532/1704070533ww7.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1704070533ww7.jpg)


and garda...


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8940/2602070527ze6.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2602070527ze6.jpg)

Now I work as a correctional officer but I have no picts..(soon)

[EMTGuard]

Some weekends it's slow at the plant I don't even feel like wearing my proper uniform. So I'll strip down to my SECURITY Tshirt and hang out at the desk. Here I am on a weekend I spent doing computer repairs and some security work.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m229/cellblock776/worksecshirt2.jpg

[sgtnewby]

Here is our uniform vs. our paramedics. They wear tan and brown, we wear black.
(me on the left {obviously} and my former high school classmate/roommate/groomsman and just a good bud on the right)

[SEO_09]

They let you get away with having a gotee? That is a kinda lax grooming standard for regular uniformed duty.

[SecTrainer]

Some weekends it's slow at the plant I don't even feel like wearing my proper uniform. So I'll strip down to my SECURITY Tshirt and hang out at the desk. Here I am on a weekend I spent doing computer repairs and some security work.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m229/cellblock776/worksecshirt2.jpg

May I make a well-intended suggestion? If that's the security office, it needs to be squared away, bigtime. Cables are hanging down (hope an OSHA inspector doesn't happen by), computers perched precariously on top of wastebaskets and at the edges of desks where they can be easily knocked off. And, the place is a total mess with plates, pop bottles, etc. It makes a terrible visual statement about your operation, no matter how good it might be otherwise - and anyone walking by the windows can see it!

This is one thing you can take to the bank: Once people get the impression that "security is just a bunch of slobs", you might never change their minds.

[Mr. Security]

May I make a well-intended suggestion? If that's the security office, it needs to be squared away, bigtime. Cables are hanging down (hope an OSHA inspector doesn't happen by), computers perched precariously on top of wastebaskets and at the edges of desks where they can be easily knocked off. And, the place is a total mess with plates, pop bottles, etc. It makes a terrible visual statement about your operation, no matter how good it might be otherwise - and anyone walking by the windows can see it!

This is one thing you can take to the bank: Once people get the impression that "security is just a bunch of slobs", you might never change their minds.

No offense intended EMTGuard, (I know you are conscientious, based on your posts) but I had the same feeling.:(

[Maelstrom]

No offense intended EMTGuard, (I know you are conscientious, based on your posts) but I had the same feeling.:(

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No offence intended EMTGuard... but your workspace looks like a cyclone just went through :(

[ddog]

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No offence intended EMTGuard... but your workspace looks like a cyclone just went through :(


Hoot, it isn't that bad. Some people can do, and some people will never do. He is one who can do quite a lot in my book. He's a brilliant SO, and a credit to the profession. Look at the total package and not one aspect, which may not be seen by the public anyway. :eek:

[EMTGuard]

Yep, it sucks in there. The monitors mounted on the wall above the windows don't even work anymore but we can't get them taken down so they just sit up there with their cables hanging down. Paperwork and magazines stacked anywhere. CRT monitors jury rigged to VCRs and powerstrips. Staplers, phones and boxes full of pens, pencils and highlighter markers are pearched on any flat surface. :(
Some of us have begged for updated equiptment such as flat screen monitors and new DVRs along with decent camera joystick controls. The plant managers have turned down everything we requested. Hey, we are just contracters. We work with what they give us. :(
In all fairness, the laptops belong to me and my partner. Next to the soda bottles you will seean external DVD burner he was using to copy DVDs. The computer on the trash can was one I brought from home to work on. We swapped a fan, power supply and DVD burner. :cool:
Plates and drinks are common since we eat our meals at the desk. No breakroom and no breaktime even if there was. The plate on the desk in that photo was one my partner had used for his biscuits that morning.
After tommorows shift I'll post a updated photo, without me in it, in the Shack thread.
For now, let's let this topic rest and get this thread back on track. :)
Uniforms anyone?

[sgtnewby]

They let you get away with having a gotee? That is a kinda lax grooming standard for regular uniformed duty.

Facial hair is allowed as long as it is neatly trimmed.

[SEO_09]

Facial hair is allowed as long as it is neatly trimmed.

Yeah, it looked clean, it is just kinda unusual to see somehing along those lines. You seem to have a very good personal standard for wearing your uniform.

[JSam21]

We are also allowed to wear facial hair as long as it is neatly trimmed.... now some of the ladies on the other hand...:D

[N. A. Corbier]

When I worked in Florida, we kept switching the uniform policy for goatees. Full beards were against regulation. Goatees were authorized for a while. Then the Evil Spock factor kicked in and people said we looked too intimidating with goatees.

Then we could have them again.

[sgtnewby]

Yeah, it looked clean, it is just kinda unusual to see somehing along those lines. You seem to have a very good personal standard for wearing your uniform.

I am a huge stickler in regards to uniforms (aside from the goatee). I've been known to randomly walk up to other officers without saying a word and straighten their uniform pins or collar brass. I always get weird looks for that.:rolleyes:

[Charger]

Wow, Sgt... Those are some awfully shiny patches on that paramedic's shoulders! LOL (Or is it just the pic?)

[Hank1]

Polishing the badge and collar brass. Ironing the uniform, polishing your boots. It is all very important. I have seen LEOs with wrinkly, dirty uniforms. Overall, a look I am sure the Chief and Sheriff would be not look fondly on.

[OccamsRazor]

...On the other hand, you have companies who supply the very cheapest stuff available, without regards to quality or appearance.

The place I work for now supplied duty gear so cheap my weapon magazines ripped the pouches the first time they were inserted.

Our uniforms are the worst I've ever worn...I took the shirts to a local dry cleaner whom I trust, and he told me they would never hold a crease. I still had him do them, with extra starch. I got them back looking superb, and hung them up still in the plastic. When I took the first one out to wear for work, it literally looked like it had been rolled up in a ball and stored in a cat box. I've given up on ironing them; so has everyone I work with.

The badges they supplied are plastic; with a metal pin attached. I swore they were plastic and no one believed me, so we ran them through the x-ray machine. The only metal is the pin and roller thing on the back.

They at first issued us handcuffs straight from Taiwan; the bottom-line HWC ones. When the feds complained our key weren't compatible with theirs, they grudgingly issued everyone Smith and Wessons.

It's not always the guard's fault the uniforms look bad...And I don't care enough to buy my own uniforms to wear to work.

[sgtnewby]

Wow, Sgt... Those are some awfully shiny patches on that paramedic's shoulders! LOL (Or is it just the pic?)

Actually, the gold stitching on them is a sort of metalic gold thread. It does look kinda prissy... :D But then our patches kinda remind me of "Rainbow Bright."

[badge212]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/jwrodriguez/IMG_0007.jpg
No she's not undercover, just off duty . . .

[ddog]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/jwrodriguez/IMG_0007.jpg
No she's not undercover, just off duty . . .

No White collars and suntan lotion to worry about. Nice.

However, I did notice 2 different undershirt colors which is non-uniform matching. But underwear may be an individual thing unless the company is willing to pay for them like black shoes, lol.

[sgtnewby]

But underwear may be an individual thing unless the company is willing to pay for them like black shoes, lol.

We're not gonna get into a "Boxers or Briefs" debate, are we???:confused: :D

[Hank1]

We're not gonna get into a "Boxers or Briefs" debate, are we???:confused: :D

Sarge~
I sure hope not!

[officerchick]

My uniform is of the "blazer" style. I generally prefer this to the "hard" lines, but only because of fit. With my current uniform, I have the same problem as with "hard" uniforms - they are (almost) always cut only to men's sizes. Not being a man, this does not fit me properly, especially in the pants. The waist is invariably at least two sizes too big, but I can't have a smaller size because, well, I'm not a man. As for the shirts, they do better overall, but the sleeves always wind up being too long. My uniform shirt now is a short sleeve, but the sleeves go below my elbows. The blazer makes me feel like a kid playing dress-up, as the sleeves cover my hands.

If I were able to have a "hard" uniform in a cut that actually fit, and not made of dirt cheap, itchy material, I think I would prefer that.

[NRM_Oz]

I do know of some suppliers here in Australia that do Chick Shirts and have Chick duty belts (basketweave leather sorry) and would have thought they would have been standard around the globe.

I agree that most women (even those built for them) do not look as presentable in the mens cut shirts.

[Arff312]

We wear Black Polo or Button down shirts with Black pants and full duty belt. We are the only dept able to do this because we are gov't emp;oyees. I will post it as soon as i get a pic.

[gcmc security part 2]

We wear Black Polo or Button down shirts with Black pants and full duty belt. We are the only dept able to do this because we are gov't emp;oyees. I will post it as soon as i get a pic.

I'm confused, why are you the only ones allowed to do that? Does your state regulate what color uniforms S/Os can wear?

[NRM_Oz]

Just out of curiousity - do they have security officers at Nudist colonies and what colour are their uniforms ?

[Hank1]

Just out of curiousity - do they have security officers at Nudist colonies and what colour are their uniforms ?

Flesh colored!

Be Safe,

Hank

[Andy Taylor]

My uniform is of the "blazer" style. I generally prefer this to the "hard" lines, but only because of fit. With my current uniform, I have the same problem as with "hard" uniforms - they are (almost) always cut only to men's sizes. Not being a man, this does not fit me properly, especially in the pants. The waist is invariably at least two sizes too big, but I can't have a smaller size because, well, I'm not a man. As for the shirts, they do better overall, but the sleeves always wind up being too long. My uniform shirt now is a short sleeve, but the sleeves go below my elbows. The blazer makes me feel like a kid playing dress-up, as the sleeves cover my hands.

If I were able to have a "hard" uniform in a cut that actually fit, and not made of dirt cheap, itchy material, I think I would prefer that.

They do make uniforms, duty belts etc. in sizes/cuts for women. I have purchased some when I have had female officers working for me. However the cheapest stuff tends to be for men. Check out www.galls.com

[officerchick]

Andy, thanks for the link. I looked at it, and they do have some nice stuff. If only I can talk my company into not using the cheap stuff, and/or the property manager into following up on promising new uniforms.

I've had the "blazer" style uniforms in women's size/cut before. But when the last manager changed the uniform, she went with one that is only offered by our supplier in men's sizes. Maybe I can talk them into looking at some of the uniorms from your link.

[Arff312]

Our uniforms are almost exact copies of the local Police. Our badges are the same shape, color etc... The only difference is our patch. Private companies can not do that But we are a government entity so we can. There is also plans to change us from security to police here soon and put those of us not already been to a academy through one. Our department also pays for use ot go through an academy so long as we promise to stay for at least a year.