I should know this, but...

[officerchick]

Ok, some stupid questions from me to you.

No matter how long I polish my shoes, I can never get them as shiny as I see some. Is this a matter of the material? What is the best/most effective way to get a good polish on my shoes?

Should it really take me almost an hour to iron 1-2 pants and get a decent crease? What is the best way to identify where the front crease should be? I have the most difficult time with this, and the crease often ends up to one side or the other, or I wind up with one good crease and one "phantom" crease that I can't quite get rid of.

It's not so much that I'm new to this, just that I seem to never have mastered the above arts. I'd appreciate any feedback. I take pride in my appearance, but I still think I could look sharper.

[N. A. Corbier]

I have a pair of shoes that are polymer, not leather, and always appear "mirror brite." If I wish to "polish" them, I do it with foaming window cleaner. This is the "cheap" way to go, if you consider 75 dollars for a pair of shoes cheap.

For true leather, there is a system. It involves buying quality leather polish which has no oil in it, or burning the oil off. Perhaps you have heard of flaming tins of Kiwi polish?

Properly polishing your shoes means that you have to ensure that the oils and waxes in the leather polish and the shoes don't rise to the top and cloud up again.

I'm sure we'll have a debate as to removing layers vs building on them, etc. :) Lets see what says you.

As far as creases in pants, I'm not sure how to describe it in words. :(

[Bill Warnock]

One: Young lady there is never a stupid or dumb question when it is sincerely asked.
Two: Nathan is correct on the shoes, and you might want to consider buying patent leather shoes and treat them with petroleum jelly for minor scuffs.
Three: Creases; turn pant legs inside out, apply a very thin layer of paraffin to the creases, turn them right side out and iron using medium heat.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[NRM_Oz]

OC - the Brits use Windex on their boots to make them mirror, but if caught this means a few hundred runs around the parade ground with a rifle over your head. The HOT Kiwi Gloss is alot of work to get right but when you do you should have no troubles. I still to this day where my Hi-tec Magnums (I can hear the boos and hisses now) with my suits since I never know what situation I could be in so have to keep them shiney at all times.

Another trick I will tell you about is a liquid polish called COLLONIL. I is a blue colour and will go on blue but it is a once a week polish. It could blind an offender and it is very easy to do. About $8 US a 50ml bottle (1.5 Oz) but lasts me 6 months. A good scrub with a shoe brush to get off the gunk and then you just apply like a kids paint marker.

http://www.collonil.net/en/produkte/index.php

A proper shoe repair place (you know the tiny corner stores run by a kind little italian man) will have these products and believe me (you will be shocked at the gloss). My bottle says : COLLONIL SELF SHINE + Lanolin which is what keeps wool supple on a sheep. Made in Germany.

[K-9 Aussie]

I wear both Original SWAT leather boots and Hi-Tec leather boots. I polish both with Tana military shine. I apply the polish to the boots, then leave them in the sun for an hour or so, you then see the polish melt and your boots come up with an incredible shine. I then buff of any excess and presto they look great. I guess this is the longer version of the military guys using blow torches to melt the polish on their boots?

As for the pants, yes it's not the easiest job to get those perfect military creases. I've always found it easier to put the leg long ways on the ironing board, fold the leg in half along the crease put in their from the factory and do it that way. If you follow the factory crease you can't go wrong.

[JB diligence]

Here's my way works like a charm, first of all I only use Kiwi brand shoe polish/brush/cloth.

With a Boot brush:
Start with your base coat, apply polish to brush and brush on all over the boot. Let that sit while you do the other boot's base coat. Then go back to the first boot and with no new polish on the brush, polish/buff the base coat off. Once that is done reapply a bit of polish to brush and buff until you've reached your desired results, you can use a bit of water or spit as well.

With a 'Kiwi' cloth:
Wrap the cloth around a finger or two, (I prefer two but it doesn't matter). Start with your base coat, let that sit while you do the other boot like above. Then, use little circles with the cloth all over the boot and polish it in. Once the base coat is worked in, reapply polish to cloth and use the same little circles (depending on the shape of you cloth you may want to use another section). wet the cloth a bit not drench it with either water (that you can put in the lid of the can) or spit (I use my tongue on the cloth) and keep going with the little circles, repeat this step by applying smaller amounts to the cloth than the base coat until you reach your desired shine. Yes your boots can look like chunks if granite with a mirror shine and is pretty much the standard for the Canadian forces.

I despise liquid shining products because I ruined a pair of Oxfords with it, it flakes at least it does when you have used the regular polish and cloth method.

Well polished boots, a clean & pressed uniform, clean short cut haircut and clean shaven face/trimmed facial hair or whispyless hair up on women are key to gaining that good first impression and respect while in uniform.

Look sharp and professional and you will be perceived as such. That can even keep you safe as people will see a 'switched on/high speed' person.

[NRM_Oz]

I used some liquid crap that cracked on my boots (Merrells I think they were) so found this stuff by accident (Collonil). Agreed with the presentation is everything and I do know that it only takes 1 slob to let the whole team down. I once reprimanded a new kid for `getting dressed in the dark` when he came without rank slides and had missed a button on his shirt (first job and nerves). Got him dressed right, lent him some spare slides for the shift and told him to come again tomorrow with clean boots (and no white socks) to start again. I eventually moved him into my team to do high risk stuff for this company as he was a very keen learner too.

[tacscuba]

I have seen some get a really bright shine using a product called "leather luster". Never used it myself.

Here's my method:

1. Strip the boots down with some rubbing alcohol.
2. Condition the leather using that kiwi stuff (leather shampoo or something?), or shaving cream. Rub it in using an old t-shirt.
3. Get a simple black polish. (I use kiwi black). Apply a light coat around the entire boot with an old t-shirt.
4. Take a hair dryer and melt the polish into the boot.
5. Let dry, buff out using a horse hair brush and cloth.
6. Apply 1 more light coat of polish, this time don't melt it in.
7. Buff out
8. Get some kiwi parade gloss. Take a cloth and wrap it around your finger. Dip the cloth in water, rub A LITTLE BIT of parade gloss on, and make VERY small circles around the enire boot. It takes practice, but if you do it right, you shouldn't need to buff this coat out, because it will have a high shine to it.

[Contact]

^^ What this person said.

If you want that mirror shine, melting the polish is the way to go.

I have a pair or Danner Acadias and use the melt method. Works like a charm, but takes a while and it doesn't take much to mess them up, unfortunatly. The first few times you hit your boots on the car door opening will piss you off pretty badly. :D

[N. A. Corbier]

None of you light your tin of Kiwi in fire to remove all the wax? :) That's half the fun.

[Chucky]

None of you light your tin of Kiwi in fire to remove all the wax? :) That's half the fun.

Brings back many bad memories of very late nights even if your boots were soaking wet or caked with that special mud they have in Texas. It turns to cement if left to dry. We would apply the polish and then burn it off the boot and then buff before it cooled down. Jump boots for some reason seemed to respond best of all???

[JB diligence]

Brings back many bad memories of very late nights even if your boots were soaking wet or caked with that special mud they have in Texas. It turns to cement if left to dry. We would apply the polish and then burn it off the boot and then buff before it cooled down. Jump boots for some reason seemed to respond best of all???

I only light it when the polish is drying and cracking in the tin, then I put the lid on so the smoke and oils stay in. It's fun as long as you put the lid on at the RIGHT time. :eek:

[SecTrainer]

One: Young lady there is never a stupid or dumb question when it is sincerely asked.
Two: Nathan is correct on the shoes, and you might want to consider buying patent leather shoes and treat them with petroleum jelly for minor scuffs.
Three: Creases; turn pant legs inside out, apply a very thin layer of paraffin to the creases, turn them right side out and iron using medium heat.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

Any decent seamstress can sew the front creases right into the pants permanently for a few bucks. She'll know how to locate the crease.

If not sewn in, you locate the crease this way:

1. Lay the pants out on the ironing board in the approximate proper position of the legs (front toward one side, back toward the opposite side).

2. Fold the top leg back and out of the way.

3. For the bottom leg, line up the inner and outer seams of the leg with one another down at the bottom of the leg, holding that tightly in one hand, grabbing the waist end of the pants with the other hand, and "snap" the leg out to full length with enough force to release wrinkles.

4. Commence ironing, paying particular attention first to the "front" part of the leg and getting that right.

5. Turn the pants over, carefully folding back your newly ironed leg, and repeat for the other leg.

6. Now lay the two legs out together, one on top of the other, and carefully iron the outside of the top leg. Be careful to keep the underneath leg from wrinkling up. Now, turn the pants over to finish the outside of the other leg. Using a padded or wooden hangar, hang the pants carefully and do not put them on until they are completely cooled down (warm pants will wrinkle up again just like they "unwrinkle" when you iron them).

Never heard about burning the shoe polish in the tin. I spit-shined my leather (using paste polish applied with a cloth, brushed lightly to distribute evenly, and then rubbing in a circular motion with cotton balls dabbed lightly in water to work the polish in). Did this about once a week and touched up scuffs in between with either light dabs of a leather cleaner or a liquid polish. Never did find a good solution for the fact that the higher the shine on your boots, the more likely it was that you'd find yourself working an MVA on the muddiest road in the county, or that some drunk would either step or puke on them.

[Contact]

For those of you who use the heating method, I found a cool way to do it that I think works really well. It is also good because Danner reccomends you not use direct heat on their boots to protect the gore tex liner

I bought one of those candle warmers that instead of lighting the candle, you turn it on and set the candle on it and it melts the candle. You can get em for less than 10 bucks.

Throw the shoe polish tin on it, and 10 minutes later you have a full tin of liquid shoe polish ready to use! Brush the polish on with a foam paint brush, let it harden and polish like normal. When you're finished, just leave the tin on the candle warmer and turn the warmer off, and 10 minutes later your shoe polish will be hard and level again.

http://www.anovelideaco.com/images/aro_essentials/candles/original_candle_warmer.jpg


http://www.candlebath.com/images/candle_warmer_white_withjar.jpg

[officerchick]

For those of you who use the heating method, I found a cool way to do it that I think works really well. It is also good because Danner reccomends you not use direct heat on their boots to protect the gore tex liner

I bought one of those candle warmers that instead of lighting the candle, you turn it on and set the candle on it and it melts the candle. You can get em for less than 10 bucks.

Throw the shoe polish tin on it, and 10 minutes later you have a full tin of liquid shoe polish ready to use! Brush the polish on with a foam paint brush, let it harden and polish like normal. When you're finished, just leave the tin on the candle warmer and turn the warmer off, and 10 minutes later your shoe polish will be hard and level again.

What a cool idea. I'll have to get one of those warmers and try that. Somehow it sounds much safer than a blowtorch:p

[N. A. Corbier]

I think the burning the tin thing is to remove the wax, leaving you with a paste. Alternately, some just buy the paste. :)

As far as the candle warmer, this is better than how it was explained to me. :( In "my" method, you put it on with your hands, and your body heat melted the polish into the boot's leather.

I would prefer having something else melt it, obviously.

[CAPTAIN KOOLAID]

I hear wax, ways heat wax up and what way to put on. But i don't hear any thing about cleaning it first. I use saddle soap get my boots clean first then i wax and polish them.

[Contact]

I think the burning the tin thing is to remove the wax, leaving you with a paste. Alternately, some just buy the paste. :)

As far as the candle warmer, this is better than how it was explained to me. :( In "my" method, you put it on with your hands, and your body heat melted the polish into the boot's leather.

I would prefer having something else melt it, obviously.

My method is simple, but certianly not the only way to do it.

Materials:
KIWI shoe polish
Candle warmer
Saddle Soap
Foam Paint brushes (gazillion of em for a buck at most craft stores)
old t-shirts to ruin (or go to the local auto parts store and get a pack of diaper cloths)
Glass of water
Horsehair shoe polishing brush

1. Get the polish on the candle warmer and get that going.

2. Take the laces out of the boots and spend some time with an old toothbrush and the saddle soap and a little bit of water to make the saddle soap suds, going through the tread of the boots, toe and heels getting all the loose dirt etc off the boots. Saddle soap also takes off any old polish/foriegn substance on the boot. Make sure you dry the boots after cleaning them.

3. By now the polish should be well melted, so take your foam brush and lightly dip the brush into the polish and start brushing it on lightly over the toe until it is all coated nicely. You will notice that the polish runs a bit and makes lines of polish on the toe. This is where your water comes in.

4. Take the tshirt or diaper cloth and dip it into the polish (just a touch, maybe the size of a dime), then dip it into the water. Then start going in a circular motion over the streaks of polish. The water will make the polish more shiny and the cloth will act as an abrasive to smooth out where the polish ran.

5. Once everything is smoothed out, if it's not shiny enough for ya or a spot got rubbed free of polish, apply another coat and repeat the process as nessassary.

Remember, the polish is shiny, but the water is what really brings out the shine. Some guys use spit or beer in place of water, but that sounds like a perfectly good waste of both if you ask me.

It is time consuming, but your boots are where the rubber meets the road, take care of them.

[doulos Christou]

Here is what I have learned to do:

Pants: When you first get them, go to a dry-cleaner and get the pressed w/ extra-havy starch. Costs a little bit, but they will usually hold the creases better for you down the road. Also, having the creases sewn in is worth the money.

Boots: Strip the boots w/ alcohol. Leather condition with a low-pH saddle soap/conditioner. The lower pH is closer to that of the leather, so it doesn't stain it or eat the stitching up like Kiwi products will. I am trying to find my bottle to get you the brand name, but it is from a chemist out of Louisiana. Then, buff in a decent black polish. I usually cheat and slick on the liquid polish with the built-in spnge from Kiwi. Use Armor All wipes for a quick touch-up when needed. It helps keep the shine up for a while.

[officerchick]

WOW! No wonder I don't know the "right" way to polish my shoes - my rough count from the posts so far is that there are about 13 gazillion ways! Thanks for the many suggestions. I will try them and see what works best.

[Contact]

WOW! No wonder I don't know the "right" way to polish my shoes - my rough count from the posts so far is that there are about 13 gazillion ways! Thanks for the many suggestions. I will try them and see what works best.

Exactly, more important than that, none is better than the others. Some work best for some people, some work best for others. As long as you and your supervisors are happy with them, you're golden.

[NRM_Oz]

Thanks Contact - next time I need to re-do my boots I will use your method.

OC - yes some of us do it one way and some of us do it another way. It depends on WHERE you work, the requirements and if you have on BDU's or dress uniforms. As I stated, I have worn my boots with my suits for about 10 years now and keep them shiney so they do not advertise what I am wearing to everyone. I have worked on crappy building or refurb sites where the concrete dust settles into everything and a quick wipe over will clean them up nicely. Best tip ? Buy 2 pairs of boots if you can and keep one as your clean pair and the old ones as a dirty pair for those jobs that are not so clean (ie. mud and slush).

Oh and if you really want to be a boot-aholic, strip off the polish with rubbing alcohol or methylated spirits back to the leather again - works to take out cracks, etc.

[N. A. Corbier]

I'm surprised no one has "advocated" "spiritedly" keeping the old polish, which is British military tradition. Our military tradition, of course, is to strip the polish off between shining.

I remember reading somewhere that with some career enlisted, the boots would actually be thicker from every layer that was kept on.

I, personally, would think this would eventually crack like magic shell, but who knows?

[doulos Christou]

The leather treatment I was talking about is called Kali Leather Life. It works great for cleaning/conditioning. I work a few construction sites and this stuff keeps my boots looking good for when I have my meetings and such...

[officerchick]

For those of you who use the heating method, I found a cool way to do it that I think works really well. It is also good because Danner reccomends you not use direct heat on their boots to protect the gore tex liner

I bought one of those candle warmers that instead of lighting the candle, you turn it on and set the candle on it and it melts the candle. You can get em for less than 10 bucks.

Throw the shoe polish tin on it, and 10 minutes later you have a full tin of liquid shoe polish ready to use! Brush the polish on with a foam paint brush, let it harden and polish like normal. When you're finished, just leave the tin on the candle warmer and turn the warmer off, and 10 minutes later your shoe polish will be hard and level again.

http://www.anovelideaco.com/images/aro_essentials/candles/original_candle_warmer.jpg


http://www.candlebath.com/images/candle_warmer_white_withjar.jpg

Incidentally, the hot-plate of a coffee maker works too.:p

[tacscuba]

Wow, never thought about using the armor all, i'll have to try that. Yeah, i have 2 pairs also. I have magnum's for my primary shiny pair, and my old Origional SWAT's for my crap job pair. Ironically, the SWAT's are holding up better than the magnums!

[NRM_Oz]

I found the Magnums soles wear out faster in foot patrols ........ but did not like the feel of the Swats. At $150.00 US a pair ........... I go through about 2 pairs a year normally and the Danners I had lasted me 5 years with 2 resoles.

[tacscuba]

I wanted to get a pair of those 8" 5.11 Strike boots. They were the tactical style, but had the high shine toe like the classic paratroopers. However, they don't make them anymore :(

[hkbladelawhk]

whoa, where does everyone work that their boots need to shine?

[Hank1]

whoa, where does everyone work that their boots need to shine?

Boots are like the tires/wheels on your car. Your car can be cleaned inside and out. But if your tires/wheels are dirty, it simply doesn't look good. If the uniform is cleaned and ironed and the boots are dirty and scuffed, it looks like crap. Boots must be cleaned and polished per our SOPS. One could be reprimanded for failure to meet the standards.

Be Safe,

Hank

[TheEskimo]

whoa, where does everyone work that their boots need to shine?

Interesting question you have there. I can't think of one place I have worked that didn't require the footwear to be polished.
As Hank said, it does take away from a nice clean appearance when one doesn't have well polished footwear.

[hkbladelawhk]

Interesting question you have there. I can't think of one place I have worked that didn't require the footwear to be polished.
As Hank said, it does take away from a nice clean appearance when one doesn't have well polished footwear.

Hmm, interesting. I didn't even have a uniform for my first "security" job, and now, we can wear any black shoes.

[TheEskimo]

Wow, no uniform. My current place of employment is the closest I have had to no uniform. But we wear white long sleeve dress shirts, maroon tie, dark grey slacks and a dark blue blazer.

[N. A. Corbier]

Hmm, interesting. I didn't even have a uniform for my first "security" job, and now, we can wear any black shoes.

Was it "Buy a white shirt and black pair of pants," or was it, "Wear whatever you want?"

If it was "wear whatever you want," how did anyone tell you were security personnel?