What do you carry on "The Job"?

[ff000525]

I thought this might be a pretty good thread because there are so many of us from all different aspects of the Security Profession. Just list the stuff you carry in your pockets, duty belt, in the trunk of the car ect. Here's mine.

Blazer:
-Two notebooks, small enough to fit in pocket
-Plastic bag, to put the notebook in if I get blood or chemicals on it
-1 black pen
-Cell phone (in right pocket), speed dial #1 set for 911
-Spare batteries (in left pocket), always carry spares for a Surefire

Belt (no duty belt, just a dress belt):
-Radio
-Surefire N2 in a hardened plastic V70 holster (this thing rocks, you can put the light in handle first or head first)
-My keys (personal) attached to a 6 in aluminum keystick (there is a proper name for this, but if asked, I just say its my keychain)
-Door Keycard with security lisence in the plastic holder
-Have a med. glove holder, but since I don't have gloves to put in there I don't wear it (used mine a while ago, job doesn't provide any) I still need to order some from Galls


Trouser Pocket:
-Spare black pen
-Identification (DL)

About my job, I work at an unarmed sight, manning the gate and cameras and doing "nightwatchman" type patrols. Pretty boring, but the account is one of the highest starting pays in my area. Happy posting! :)

[Lawson]

I wear an empty belt. I usually have a notepad, a pen, rubber gloves and a cell on my person though. Belt May contain my radio if Im doing a foot patrol.

[OccamsRazor]

In the process of trying to convert myself back to day schedule here, so anything is holding my interest. Let's see here...

Shirt:
-Notebook in right pocket
-Nametag centered above right pocket, 1/2 inch above
-Black pen in left pocket
-ID/creds and holder on retractable cord hanging below left pocket
-Badge above left pocket
-Pen-style cuff key clipped along shirt front between buttons, concealed

Belt (starting at left and going counter-clock):
-Open top mag holder with 2 mags
-Keeper
-Key holder (the snap-in steel type, no silent keeper crap)
-CBP carabiner on key holder
-Radio holster, contains a Moto XTS5000
-Cuff case and cuffs
-Keeper with emergency cuff key, hidden
-Keeper
-Plain finish, swivel baton holder with ASP, canted slightly forward
-Keeper
-Holster with Glock 22
-Keeper
-OC MK-4 holder with OC foam
-Nextel holster and Nextel


Trouser Pockets:
-Tactical folder knife (I own 3, and like to rotate them to cut down on the lint factor) in right pocket
-Wallet in right rear pocket
-Pocket calendar/address book in left rear pocket
-Personal keys in left pocket

Jacket pockets:
-One of those little Listerine Pocket-Paks things with the 'dissolves on your tongue' mint thingies
-Patrol gloves (generic kevlar/neoprene mix)
-Surefire G2Z

I also have lately started carrying my old PD duty bag with the following junk contained:

-Black wool watchcap
-2 extra notepads
-2 extra pens
-A couple of powerbars
-A small roll of 90MPH tape
-Monstrous Leatherman type tool
-An extra pair of gloves, and a plastic baggie with 3 pairs of nitrile gloves
-2 spare Surefire batteries
-2 chemlights (one green, one white)
-Legal pad on metal clipboard
-Yellow highlighter
-Small box of tissues
-3 Arrowhead bottled waters

[ACP01]

I usually wear an outer garment with pen and spare eyeglasses in left pocket,
notepad in right pocket,
Pants pockets: left front combat folder and .25ACP pocket pistol (Hate ankle holsters plus I can have a hand on a gun without being obvious) the rest are just various personal items.
Belt: badge, radio, light holder, small light in case (can't remember name have had it awhile and name worn off), Gerber Multi-tool, holster with .45ACP Baby Eagle, Key ring, double mag case (horizontal), glovepouch with quality medical exam gloves, I have a 3Dcell Maglight that Icarry also.
Needless to say I wear a good belt. :)

[N. A. Corbier]

I usually wear an outer garment with pen and spare eyeglasses in left pocket,
notepad in right pocket,
Pants pockets: left front combat folder and .25ACP pocket pistol (Hate ankle holsters plus I can have a hand on a gun without being obvious) the rest are just various personal items.
Belt: badge, radio, light holder, small light in case (can't remember name have had it awhile and name worn off), Gerber Multi-tool, holster with .45ACP Baby Eagle, Key ring, double mag case (horizontal), glovepouch with quality medical exam gloves, I have a 3Dcell Maglight that Icarry also.
Needless to say I wear a good belt. :)

Lucky in that your allowed to carry a BUG concealed. In WI and Florida, those are felonies.

[ACP01]

Lucky in that your allowed to carry a BUG concealed. In WI and Florida, those are felonies.

The .25ACP? With a CCW I can carry concealed any type/size pistol or revolver that is legally owned. We can openly carry without restrictions as to type/size also.

Also, the multi-tool is a Schrade and the folder is a Gerber. Sorry, Iwas half asleep during the last post. :(

[N. A. Corbier]

The .25ACP? With a CCW I can carry concealed any type/size pistol or revolver that is legally owned. We can openly carry without restrictions as to type/size also.

Also, the multi-tool is a Schrade and the folder is a Gerber. Sorry, Iwas half asleep during the last post. :(

Interesting. Florida folks can't carry on their CCW, because they're legally responsible for protecting others, not just themselves. The Florida CCW is for "self-protection," according to DOACS/Div. Licensing, and therefore they must regulate the type of weapon and manner of carry that security officers use, since they are to protect others.

Take this, for example:
You are on duty, in uniform. You have a holstered firearm in plain sight.

Put on a rain-coat, on duty, you must pull the gun through to keep it "securely encased in plain sight" to comply with the letter of the law.

Go off work, you must trunk your weapon as your not authorized to carry it to and from work. However, if you have a valid CCW, you may wear an overcoat that obscures your work uniform and weapon. You are now a private citizen carrying a concealed weapon, not a security officer openly carrying.

Due note, of course, open carry is illegal in Florida. Only LEOs and Security Officers may do it.

[Mr. Security]

I carry the following:
- Dragnet :) pocket note pad and pen
- Whistle
- Scorpion Flashlight/Leather Holster
- Leather Belt key-holder
- Latex gloves/Leather glove pouch
- Galls Tactical Flashlight/Leather Holster
- 5 fresh lithium batteries/Leather Holster
- 2 Cell Phones & 1 Pager
- Folding Knife
- A nice long Mag-Lite :D (Call me flashlight cop :p)
- Checkpoint wand
- Kevlar/Spectra cut & heat resistant gloves

[ACP01]

Interesting. Florida folks can't carry on their CCW, because they're legally responsible for protecting others, not just themselves. The Florida CCW is for "self-protection," according to DOACS/Div. Licensing, and therefore they must regulate the type of weapon and manner of carry that security officers use, since they are to protect others.

Take this, for example:
You are on duty, in uniform. You have a holstered firearm in plain sight.

Put on a rain-coat, on duty, you must pull the gun through to keep it "securely encased in plain sight" to comply with the letter of the law.

Go off work, you must trunk your weapon as your not authorized to carry it to and from work. However, if you have a valid CCW, you may wear an overcoat that obscures your work uniform and weapon. You are now a private citizen carrying a concealed weapon, not a security officer openly carrying.

Due note, of course, open carry is illegal in Florida. Only LEOs and Security Officers may do it.

In WV the state code states that for plain clothes you must abide by all state CCW regulations which means if you have a CCW you can carry.

Also our CCW is for the protection of self and others as well as property. Also we do not have to retreat for any reason. In other words if some idiot decides to B&E you can stand your ground. ID, aim, breath, squeeze...repeat as needed until situation resolved.

We can even carry a shotgun, rifle or carbine if wanted or needed. Semi of course unless you have the Class 3 stamp. Believe it or not I would have a bigger problem with DNR than PD.

[N. A. Corbier]

In WV the state code states that for plain clothes you must abide by all state CCW regulations which means if you have a CCW you can carry.

Also our CCW is for the protection of self and others as well as property. Also we do not have to retreat for any reason. In other words if some idiot decides to B&E you can stand your ground. ID, aim, breath, squeeze...repeat as needed until situation resolved.

We can even carry a shotgun, rifle or carbine if wanted or needed. Semi of course unless you have the Class 3 stamp. Believe it or not I would have a bigger problem with DNR than PD.

We're lucky in that the DNR rule requiring any weapon to be unloaded and stored securely in a running vehicle specifically does not apply to "licensed private police, private security, and private guard persons."

PD just has to sign your ATF Form 4. I could see DNR going insane over having a Class 3 weapon. :) (That's not a hunting weapon.) "We're not hunting animals."

[Mr. Security]

.... "We're not hunting animals."

You mean the 4 legged or the 2 legged kind? :D

[OccamsRazor]

Put on a rain-coat, on duty, you must pull the gun through to keep it "securely encased in plain sight" to comply with the letter of the law.

That should be SOP anyhow (Yes, I know you were making a point, but a guy I work with refuses to do that. Ever try getting your weapon out from under a full-length raincoat? Not easy).

[Mr. Security]

That should be SOP anyhow (Yes, I know you were making a point, but a guy I work with refuses to do that. Ever try getting your weapon out from under a full-length raincoat? Not easy).

Why? Because it will get wet? :confused:

[Mr. Security]

I wear an empty belt. I usually have a notepad, a pen, rubber gloves and a cell on my person though. Belt May contain my radio if Im doing a foot patrol.

What about a flashlight?

[N. A. Corbier]

That should be SOP anyhow (Yes, I know you were making a point, but a guy I work with refuses to do that. Ever try getting your weapon out from under a full-length raincoat? Not easy).

Yes, I have. You end up looking like Bat Masterson. My raincoat didn't have pull through pockets long enough to stick the handle of my revolver out.

Sufficiet to say, the raincoats I'm looking at have weapon vents.

[OccamsRazor]

Why? Because it will get wet? :confused:

I honestly have no idea. I'd rather clean my weapon than be dead.

[OccamsRazor]

Yes, I have. You end up looking like Bat Masterson. My raincoat didn't have pull through pockets long enough to stick the handle of my revolver out.
Sufficiet to say, the raincoats I'm looking at have weapon vents.

On one of our sites, before I went and got my own, I was supplied with a raincoat that did not have weapon slits, but did have pockets. A little quick knife work, and it did. The 'supervisor' was a tad upset, until I explained it to him in very simple terms.

[Mr. Security]

On one of our sites, before I went and got my own, I was supplied with a raincoat that did not have weapon slits, but did have pockets. A little quick knife work, and it did. The 'supervisor' was a tad upset, until I explained it to him in very simple terms.

See...just another reason why s/o's should be permitted to carry a knife. :) (See thread that discussed this topic)

[jakeslife]

On my persons:
Company cell phone
Personal cell phone
Gun
Asp (with LED cap light)
Cuffs
Latex Gloves
Radio with shoulder mic attached to my suspenders, earbud when I'm not wearing glasses
OC
Surefire light
Extra ammo
Neoprene gloves
SMall notepad
Pen

In the car:
First aid kit
Extra latex gloves
Road flares
extra socks
extra pens
extra ammo
MRE's
hand warmers

[mallpopo]

Where do you work that you would need extra socks and MREs??? :confused:

[N. A. Corbier]

Where do you work that you would need extra socks and MREs??? :confused:

I'd say anywhere outdoors. When I did open air construction sites - We'd get the contract from the moment it was a vacant lot - I packed MREs, extra socks, and waterproof boots. Because rain or shine, it was your butt getting out of the car and challenging anyone who comes on property. Since, in Florida, trespass on a designated construction site is a felony, and there are large signs, anyone trespassing was automatic arrest.

[Mr. Security]

.... Since, in Florida, trespass on a designated construction site is a felony, and there are large signs, anyone trespassing was automatic arrest.

Man, you guys don't mess around! :eek:

[N. A. Corbier]

Man, you guys don't mess around! :eek:

I think Florida had way too much theft on construction sites. Florida Power routinely sticks a crane or bulldozer (company owned) on every site, renews a permit for some "work" every so often, and gets to declare the entire utility complex a "construction site."

Real fun is when the contractors show up, and you have no idea who they are. That means you have to hold them, call the police, and the police get to figure their story out. You can't figure it out yourself because you must immediately present your detainee to a law enforcement officer under the trespass statute.

And what's worse, most of the contractors had no clue who they were working for, etc.

[Taser]

I think Florida had way too much theft on construction sites. Florida Power routinely sticks a crane or bulldozer (company owned) on every site, renews a permit for some "work" every so often, and gets to declare the entire utility complex a "construction site."

Real fun is when the contractors show up, and you have no idea who they are. That means you have to hold them, call the police, and the police get to figure their story out. You can't figure it out yourself because you must immediately present your detainee to a law enforcement officer under the trespass statute.

And what's worse, most of the contractors had no clue who they were working for, etc.
I've patrolled some "construction sites" and real construction sites where that would really come in handy. I'm kind of jealous. Haha

[N. A. Corbier]

I've patrolled some "construction sites" and real construction sites where that would really come in handy. I'm kind of jealous. Haha

Two downsides to it.

1. There is no such animal in Wisconsin.
2. Not all LEOs believed the signs. They required to be educated.

[eagle-eye]

When in uniform:

Underneath the clothes:

CPE Pro-model (dyname) protective vests.

On my belt:

-21" ASP in a GK holster.
-handcuffs in a case
-a tactical flashlight
-tetra (not a regular walkie talkie, but a digital version)
-a bottle of disinfectant spray (for cleaning hands)
-OC defense spray in a Peter Jones tactical holster.
-a ring for regular duty maglite, although I carry one extremely rarely.

On my jacket:

- 2 small notepads, pencil, pens, and color pens.
- ID cards and carry permits
- company & my own cell-phone

On my pants' pockets:

- protective gloves against knives and needles, and plastic gloves
- basic first-aid supplies
- keys

When in plain clothe assignments -- only the most necessary items.

In the car:

A bag where I have everything if I need to change any particular item on me.

some snacks, energy drinks and water, basic medicine for headache etc.

Plus all the company issued special gear in the trunk.

[wvd1979]

I work unarmed security at a biotech facility. My carried equipment is limited.

Notepad/pen (good quality refillable pen)
AA Mini Maglite
Motorola Radio w/ shoulder mic. (don't know the model #) medium size radio
Key ring with master keys to facility
Swiss Army Knife
Personal cell phone in jacket pocket when I do outside rounds.

Lanyard with government issued ID badge worn around neck. (We don't have name tags, but we are required to display our government-issued ID on our person at all times)

[1stWatch]

I'd say anywhere outdoors. When I did open air construction sites - We'd get the contract from the moment it was a vacant lot - I packed MREs, extra socks, and waterproof boots. Because rain or shine, it was your butt getting out of the car and challenging anyone who comes on property. Since, in Florida, trespass on a designated construction site is a felony, and there are large signs, anyone trespassing was automatic arrest.

Texas needs a statute like that! Trespassing here has long been traditionally held to be a misdemeanor and not a breach of the peace, so a property owner or other private citizen cannot arrest for it, period. This is a source of frustration for security who use "verbal or written notice" of criminal trespass on the job. At a high risk site like that it certainly should be a felony.

[crankloud]

We carry absolutely no personal protection equipment at all.(ppe) is up to our managers to provide.We are not allowed to carry pocket knives or any other weapons unless licensed to do so.What i have on me now is a personal duress alarm.That's it.

[EMTGuard]

We carry absolutely no personal protection equipment at all.(ppe) is up to our managers to provide.We are not allowed to carry pocket knives or any other weapons unless licensed to do so.What i have on me now is a personal duress alarm.That's it.
Personal duress alarm? Sounds like you work at a prison. I remember my years working 'behind the fence' and having nothing more than a 'beeper' should something happen. A basketball game turns into a fight you just hit the button and wait for backup before wading in. Control Center over the radios-"All units, Beeper activation in the Gym." Beeper activations brought everyone not assigned to a dorm or other static assignment running to you.

[N. A. Corbier]

Personal duress alarm? Sounds like you work at a prison. I remember my years working 'behind the fence' and having nothing more than a 'beeper' should something happen. A basketball game turns into a fight you just hit the button and wait for backup before wading in. Control Center over the radios-"All units, Beeper activation in the Gym." Beeper activations brought everyone not assigned to a dorm or other static assignment running to you.

I was wondering that, too, since Aussie guards seem to be big on these duress alarms. Are there alot of guards per contract, or does it simply call "911" for you?

[Gumshoe]

When I first started out in LP I carried everything I could fit. Flashlight, notepads....you know the "Works"

After about five years I was down to my handcuffs and that was it.

I learned really fast that Pens/Pencils hurt when you land on them, along with Flashlights. They also make great stabbing instruments the lifter can grab when they fly out of your pockets.

Cell phones always got broke or lost....in fact Nextel just told me that they had to replace six phones over a 3 year period and started to "question" what I was doing. I had the Signal Insurance program.....Great program for LP and Police alike.

Now as a Police Officer, I won't even go there. It's like I recycled myself all over again. My partners laugh at me, my Chief shakes his head in ashtonishment. BUT I"M PREPARED FOR BATTLE !!! That's at least what I tell myself to feel better after all the chuckles I get. Give me a another year with this heavy duty belt and I'll be slimming it down. Heck I even have spare batteries for my Tactical Light :D


Awhile back I'm sitting in the briefing room. An officer came into the room with his duty bag, a rolling luggage suitcase, along with an additional bag. 3 bags full of gadets and gear!! A senior officer in the room glances over at him and shakes his head and tells the guy "Hey have a safe trip, I hope the food is good on the flight". It was probably one of those funny things where you had to be there, but I couldn't stop laughing.

[wvd1979]

When I first started out in LP I carried everything I could fit. Flashlight, notepads....you know the "Works"

After about five years I was down to my handcuffs and that was it.

I learned really fast that Pens/Pencils hurt when you land on them, along with Flashlights. They also make great stabbing instruments the lifter can grab when they fly out of your pockets.

Cell phones always got broke or lost....in fact Nextel just told me that they had to replace six phones over a 3 year period and started to "question" what I was doing. I had the Signal Insurance program.....Great program for LP and Police alike.

Now as a Police Officer, I won't even go there. It's like I recycled myself all over again. My partners laugh at me, my Chief shakes his head in ashtonishment. BUT I"M PREPARED FOR BATTLE !!! That's at least what I tell myself to feel better after all the chuckles I get. Give me a another year with this heavy duty belt and I'll be slimming it down. Heck I even have spare batteries for my Tactical Light :D


Awhile back I'm sitting in the briefing room. An officer came into the room with his duty bag, a rolling luggage suitcase, along with an additional bag. 3 bags full of gadets and gear!! A senior officer in the room glances over at him and shakes his head and tells the guy "Hey have a safe trip, I hope the food is good on the flight". It was probably one of those funny things where you had to be there, but I couldn't stop laughing.

LMAO...that is a classic line.

[ozsecuritychic]

day shift duty belt 2 mobiles i radio. night shift duty belt 2 mobiles 2 way radio ,baton,maglite.

[crankloud]

Actually i work in hospital.We carry duress alarms that only emit a sound,they don't call 000(aussie emergency number) they don't relay your position to anyone, they just make a loud sound.As for number of guards contracted, i am it. 1 guard in a hospital of about 200 patients plus 35 psyciatric patients and a drug and alcohol detox unit.

[N. A. Corbier]

Actually i work in hospital.We carry duress alarms that only emit a sound,they don't call 000(aussie emergency number) they don't relay your position to anyone, they just make a loud sound.As for number of guards contracted, i am it. 1 guard in a hospital of about 200 patients plus 35 psyciatric patients and a drug and alcohol detox unit.

We don't call those duress alarms here. We call those annoying alarm boxes, and they sell them at the local Wal-Mart. I used to make sonic tripwires out of them, you pull the pin and it shrieks. We found them completely ineffective in their actual use, but really fun to annoy and frighten people with. :)

This ineffectiveness stems from the fact that 1) The attacker will not care that its loud. 2) Nobody in the US really cares if there's a shrieking noise, they just want you to shut it the f- up. Now.

[crankloud]

Embarrassing to say, we can't even pull the pin. These noise boxes (lol) we wear. You actually have to squeeze two buttons in, one on either side of the alarm.Safe hey. We even have a special group of people here called occupational health and safety officers, their job is to think up this sort of crap so we don't get hurt on the job (therefore costing them less). Problem is they don't face Junkies, alcoholics and mad people. They sit in their orifice and think up stupid ideas like "duress alarms".Got anyone like that?

[Michael Ledgerwood]

On my duty belt left to right
handcuff case w/ 1 pair peerless chain
radio holder - we use Motorolay MTS 2000 portables
Stinger flashlight holder
belt keeper
2 pocket latex glove pouch w/ 1 pr gloves and 1 cpr micro shield
belt keeper
MK3 OC-10 holder
Safariland level II holster with S&W Sigman .40
Mag pouch w/ 2 hi cap mags

In my shirt, pen, notepad, quiqlite, id card

pants; 1 pair black duty gloves, keys, knife, earplugs (jet engines are loud) and junk :p

On my duty belt, nothing but the latex glove pouch is mounted anywhere near my back. this helps to protect my spine should i get into a fight or a fall and distrubutes the weight better on my hips making me forget i am even wearing a duty belt.

[Charger]

On my duty belt left to right
handcuff case w/ 1 pair peerless chain
radio holder - we use Motorolay MTS 2000 portables
Stinger flashlight holder
belt keeper
2 pocket latex glove pouch w/ 1 pr gloves and 1 cpr micro shield
belt keeper
MK3 OC-10 holder
Safariland level II holster with S&W Sigman .40
Mag pouch w/ 2 hi cap mags


No baton? :)
And I agree on keeping the back area clear... As much as possible anyway... I also keep my glove/first aid pouch in the back center, but I carry 2 pairs of cuffs on my belt... each in a single pouch, on either side of the glove pouch... Everything else on my belt sits from the hips forward... I've fallen/scuffled in this gear many times, and not been hurt (yet.. knock on wood).. Thank goodness for Bianchi's padded belt/gear ;)

[Michael Ledgerwood]

No baton? :)


We don't carry batons. What I was told was Boeing did a study and found the baton to be to dangerous. You got to remember there are several cramped quarters where a baton would not be useful. Also an arrant baton strike could strike an airplane and cause millions in damage. They chose the Taser x26 instead. However, we have since gotten rid of our tasers in an effort to appear more "approachable". The officers laugh at our new chiefs efforts to make us more approachable and what not but I think he has something up his sleeve and when all is done and said we will be a much better orginazation. He is getting rid of our police package impalas and going with Chevy Colorado 4 dr pickups. Also getting rid of our lightbars and going to a "slicktop" set up. I'm looking forward to it so stay tuned and ill give my opions when the switch is made.

[Lawson]

No baton? :)
And I agree on keeping the back area clear... As much as possible anyway... I also keep my glove/first aid pouch in the back center, but I carry 2 pairs of cuffs on my belt... each in a single pouch, on either side of the glove pouch... Everything else on my belt sits from the hips forward... I've fallen/scuffled in this gear many times, and not been hurt (yet.. knock on wood).. Thank goodness for Bianchi's padded belt/gear ;)

It makes me laugh when I see someone wearing a maglite directly on the center of their back hanging down over their rear end.

[jakeslife]

Baton's can be quite crude...there are only certain zones you can hit on a person that would not be considered "deadly force." When a scuffle is going on, it's very hard to successfully land a solid blow to a specific part of a person's body with a baton.

[Lawson]

In crude terms, when it comes down to my life or his... I would like knowing I have an item that can whip the S*** out of my murdering suspect.

[jakeslife]

Oh definitely, which is why I carry one myself. I would rather someone experience 100,000 SHU to calm them down, if not, then you escalate force.

<insert first line of sig here>

[N. A. Corbier]

I know alot of Deputies who stopped carrying their ASP when they were issued Tasers. If the taser dosen't stop them, and they're at baton level, just shoot the guy. You've lost.

I'm not kidding.

Your a security unit, not a public policing unit. You do not have to be "approachable." That is lunacy, and public policing politics have no business in the security industry. You are not there to be approachable. You are there to support Boeing's mission by protecting its interests, both personnel and property.

Your chief sounds like he's been sniffing Community Orientated Policing manuals too long.

[HotelSecurity]

In my hotels we still work in plain clothes but display abadge clipped to our pocket or hung on a chain around our necks.

On my belt I carry:

- My personal keys including spares for my offices (3) & my handcuff key.
- Personal cell phone
- Peerless handcuffs
- A small flashlights. (I lost my SureFire G4 last week so I've had to go back to my old reliable 2AA Mini Mag
- The large set of hotel keys
- A small pocket mask type device

In my breast pocket of my jacket:

- An emergency key card that opens ALL the guest rooms even when double locked
-An authorization key card. Used to make other key cards, to program & audit locks

In my jacket pockets:

- A small set of keys that I use the most often. (Office, elevator)
- Note book
- Latex gloves
- Small knife

In my shift pocket

- A pen

In my hand

- My walkie-talkie (Being plain clothed I find that carrying it helps id me)

Being in Canada I can not carry OC spray or Tasers etc. At one time we were able to apply for & carry a gun but very few hotels in the Montreal area ever did. The thoughts were that a hotel hallway was not the place for a gun fight.
The only hotel that I'm sure did was the Chateau Champlain. It was owned by Canadian Pacific Railways. Their security staff were Railway Special Constables. It has since been sold & is managed by Marriott. They are no longer armed.

[Defensive tactics]

wow I kinda jumped into this thread to late, hopefully I can still contribute, I am loss prevention so I dont wear a duty belt but I do have with me.

1. police evidence notebook
2. All my arrest and trespass paper work
3. Maglight
4. Puncture proof/cut resistant search gloves
5. Kobaton (so I dont loose my keys)
6. Cell phone
7. Whatever change of clothes I happen to have brought to shift that day

Ben Wallace

[N. A. Corbier]

Does it actually say "Police Evidence Book?"

We used to carry these cool "reporter's notepads" with the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office logo on them. It said on the notepad, "Deputy's Reporting Book." I knew a guy who got a ration of crap from a off-duty police officer that had a ... disliking of the Sheriff's Office. He tried to throw the book at this security officer, who was also a Pinellas reserve deputy.

Did I mention we're not allowed to have anything on our person that would give the average person (ie: off duty cop) the idea that we're a sworn law enforcement officer? Did I mention that the poor guy's only saving grace was the star in his back pocket, which he used to tell the cop to go away and leave him alone, before he suddenly switched jobs and arrested the idiot?

[zharn]

note pad
pen
mechanical pencil
cell phone(trying to find basketweave holster for it on e-bay)
smith and wesson chrome handcuffs
2 extra hi-cap mags
AA mini maglite with LED and instant on conversion
S&W sigma in .40 s&w
D cell maglite for night posts
2 pair surgical gloves
my employer has also graciuosly provided a level 2a point blank vest
duty belt,dual retention holster and all other belt accesories in black basketweave(look sharp,feel sharp,be sharp)
car has foul weather gear,light and heavy jackets,extra batteries,extra ammunition,notepads,pens,pencils,duty notebook,city maps,pretzels,tide pen in duty bag.
i work for a contract company so other than the uniform shirts,brass,jackets and vest i buy my own gear.Is that kind of a universal thing in this business?Have a great day folks.

[N. A. Corbier]

My employer gave me pants and jackets in Florida. Some agencies give out everything.

[Tennsix]

OC
Sidearm
Cuffs
Gloves/CPR Mask
Concealed Cuff Key
Maglight Ring
Cuffs
Stinger
Baton
Radio
Carcam Remote W/Mic

Vest
Backup Firearm
Folding Knife

[Tennsix]

- Pen and Notebook in my shirt pocket

Buckleless leather duty belt, from center counter-clockwise:
- Key clip (rarely with keys on it, the set is too big for walking around with)
- Keeper
- Radio in leather holder
- Stinger XT in leather holder (with cover flap cut off)
- Keeper
- Keeper
- Latex glove holder
- ASP Baton in leather holder
- Keeper
- OC Spray in leather holder

Bunch of crap in my duty bag: extra gloves, enormous policy book, metal forms holder, citation holder, extra rarely-used forms, extra pens, evidence bags, DVD player. :D
No cuffs? How do you restrain prisoners? We have to carry a restraining device even when we carry off-duty.

[EMTGuard]

I answered this in the Duty Gear Setup thread.
http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/showthread.php?t=47

[Knight Watch]

Shirt:

not pad
2 pens
nextel
DL
note cards
long cuff key

Belt:

ASP
Radio
Cuffs X 2 , reg and hinged
latex free gloves, (medical)
Poly stinger
mini mag
multi tool (gen leatherman)
mk4 pepper foam
key keeper


Vest
folding knife 1 or 2 mabe more ;)

[Unit 6]

On duty belt:

Motorola radioW/Shoulder Mic
Glove pouch W/3 pair latex gloves.
Mark4 pepper spray
26" ASP
Master keys to Hospital
Personel cell phone.
Stinger in Bianchi holster

[OzPatrol]

I was wondering that, too, since Aussie guards seem to be big on these duress alarms. Are there alot of guards per contract, or does it simply call "911" for you?

Duress alarm? What duress alarm? We have a VRT (you know, I'm not even sure what that means) that we have to make into the company every 2 hours. What happens between the time you make that contact to tell them you are alive and the next contact is anyone's guess. You could be laying in a pool of your own blood, but if you miss that VRT check, the company will have your head on a silver platter. Or at least, my patrols team leader will be sending you a 'Please Explain' letter with serious repercussions in regards to you keeping your job. *sigh*

Obviously, we have nothing better to do in the middle of a break and enter check than to stop, ignore everything going on around us and make a call in to do our VRT to a recorded message center, then continue checking if anyone is onsite.

The complete idiocy of higher management astounds me at times. It doesn't surprise me, just amazes me the insane heights that can be reached.

When I first reported for duty with my new security firm, I received:

2x Dark Blue Pleated Trousers
3x Light Blue Pinstriped Long Sleeve shirts (in the middle of summer)
1x Tie (red with small blue C's on it)
1x Boots (that didn't fit me)
1x Heavy Winter Jacket

That's it, thats all.

I began wearing a duty belt, which contained the normal radio, maglite ringholder, notepad holder, etc.

Now while on patrols:

2x Notepads in bag
1x Pen in shirt pocket
1x Pen in bag
1x small surefire style LED flashlight on regular belt
1x Spotlight in bag
1x First Aid Kit
1x Local Map
1x drink in cooler bag
2x snacks in cooler bag
1x personal mobile
1x company mobile combo push-to-talk unit
1x HHT unit (barcode scanner)

And that's pretty much the extent of it, except for some cd's for listening to music quietly at break.

Note that nothing else is provided by the company. Oh, wait, I forget, they did provide us with a first aid kit that contains a facemask and some gloves. I carry my own, as the first aid kits in the vehicles are never checked to keep them up to date with bandaids / bandages, etc.

[Mr. Security]

... We have a VRT (you know, I'm not even sure what that means) that we have to make into the company every 2 hours....

VRT = Verification Report Time :confused:

[OzPatrol]

VRT = Verification Report Time :confused:

Sounds reasonable.

Essentially, what happens is the security person calls in, gets a recorded message stating to enter your # which is usually 2 numbers plus your site location or patrol location number, then enter a password. It then informs you your checkin has been logged.

Normally takes anywhere between 16-20 seconds to do the actual check and then however long you are fiddling around with the phone to dial the number plus hang up. Makes for an interesting drive in traffic. There are laws in regards to operating a mobile phone in vehicles that are not on hands free here in Australia, so....yeah, if you are using it, you should be using a hands free, but its a bit hard to do that considering no hands free kits are in patrol vehicles and very few of the patrol officers are given ear pieces to use in conjunction with the mobile phones.

Australia's laws in regards to the use of mobiles (without handsfree) is a nice little fine.

[bigdog]

i carry on my duty rig
2 pairs of S&W cuffs (one hinged and one chain)
1 pair of peerless chain cuffs
A 2oz can of sabre red h20
a 26" asp baton
Streamlight stinger flashlight
A 2 C cell maglight for a back up light

[N. A. Corbier]

i carry on my duty rig
2 pairs of S&W cuffs (one hinged and one chain)
1 pair of peerless chain cuffs
A 2oz can of sabre red h20
a 26" asp baton
You need more crap.

I mean a flashlight.

[bigdog]

i have a stinger I forgot to list it.

[locknid]

my belt is a accumold ergotek nylon belt

i carry on it from left to right
fox labs mark IV OC

monadnock 21 or 23"(can't remember) expandable baton with power tip cross draw

stinger flash light

chain link cuffs in cuff case

asp tactical hinged cuffs on cuff strap

glock 23

double mag pouch

that pretty much covers my entire belt except the back area

[N. A. Corbier]

Oh, yeah, for those of you wondering what I carry at my primary job:

2 Cross Century Pens (Black, Medium Point)
1 Pocket Notepad (4x6)
1 PocketPC (Its old, Jornada 320SE)
1 Black Leather Case with Company ID and Badge
1 ASP Key Defender (OC)

This is all held on by a black leather dress belt.

All I get to do anymore is the occasional IT security gig around town. Normally, its all online, so I don't have to carry anything.

[bigdog]

Is the asp key defender legal to carry in WI?

[N. A. Corbier]

Is the asp key defender legal to carry in WI?
It better be, I bought it retail from a huge sporting goods store. Its not a pen or a beeper or any concealed item.

[Echos13]

I went back to simple set up my self. I put away my P-85 and went back to my Taurus 2 inch wheel gun. That Ruger was getting heavy to lug around with a 16 round mag not to mention it's big. I am looking at a glock 17 and the CZ75D PCR for 9mm carry. We can use a tactical holster now for high profile calls but I prefer to be less a spectical than stand out to hard. We do "soft security" appearence as much as possible now anyway. We did have a contract for full uniform details but it got subbed to another outfit we canvas calls for when they can't. I met up with a CPO from the "W" company the other day and this guy looked like a state trooper more then a security officer. He looked sharp and his duty gear was uniform neat and distinctive. They dont carry much on thier duty belts though other than the side arm which was a full frame Smith wheel gun (I guess they carry 9mm sometimes). He told me some do carry more depending on the job. They are doing intake and control operations for the JV center here in my county now but they are unarmed. But for me, keep it simple and less cluncky. If I need more, well theres the camo bag in the trunk with a lap top and other stuff. :)

[crankloud]

In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?

[Tennsix]

In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?
Yes, OC is good stuff. Doesn't work 100% of the time but it generally does the job.

[HotelSecurity]

In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?

We are still not allowed in Canada :(

[1stWatch]

In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?

I believe o.c. spray is the most useful weapon I have on. Shooting is rarely justified and it certainly beats having to put your hands on someone who may have communicable diseases.

[N. A. Corbier]

I believe o.c. spray is the most useful weapon I have on. Shooting is rarely justified and it certainly beats having to put your hands on someone who may have communicable diseases.

Seconded. Just remember that OC causes a reactionary gap, and you need to either run during that period, or close the gap and take the suspect down after spraying.

Never spray statically. :) Even if its not effective, its still a temporary blinding agent in their eyes till the stream shuts off. Spray and move.

[Mr. Security]

Oh, yeah, for those of you wondering what I carry at my primary job:
..........
1 ASP Key Defender (OC)



Check it occasionally. I went to use mine and it was a dud. :eek:

[Mr. Security]

Seconded. Just remember that OC causes a reactionary gap, and you need to either run during that period, or close the gap and take the suspect down after spraying.

Never spray statically. :) Even if its not effective, its still a temporary blinding agent in their eyes till the stream shuts off. Spray and move.

Our local PD is just now being equipped with tasers. As you know, I have always advocated the use of OC over a taser. However, the police have made a strong case for the taser over OC. They prefer the taser because it can be used in a hospital setting, does not require a physical take down, and does not contaminate the officer's clothing, etc. In addition, the pain of OC lasts anywhere from 30 min to several hours as opposed to 5 seconds with a taser. They have a strong case. Perhaps I need to reevaluate this one. :)

[N. A. Corbier]

Check it occasionally. I went to use mine and it was a dud. :eek:
I routinely check areosols due to the dud factor. :)

[Jackhole]

I routinely check areosols due to the dud factor. :)
I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. :confused: Don't know, never used any.

[Tennsix]

I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. :confused: Don't know, never used any.
No, they are "resueable".

[Taser]

I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. :confused: Don't know, never used any.
As an S/O, we don't come into situations where the use of force is necessary as often as it is with LEOs. However, generally when the use of force is necessary it is a more severe situation. For example, a police officer might use OC on an individual because the suspect won't comply with the officer's orders. Obviously as S/O's, we don't have this option. So generally if you are going to deploy OC it is going to be a defensive situation. When I feel the need to defend myself and I choose to use OC to do so, I am going to SOAK the perp.

This is kind of a long winded way of saying, yes, they are reusable. But when I use OC, I use quite A LOT of it, so I always buy a new canister of it. I just feel more comfortable that way.

[crankloud]

Considering we carry no ppe in the form of self defence i will be carrying oc spray to defend myself. Thanks for the response, very helpful.

[Lawson]

Our local PD is just now being equipped with tasers. As you know, I have always advocated the use of OC over a taser. However, the police have made a strong case for the taser over OC. They prefer the taser because it can be used in a hospital setting, does not require a physical take down, and does not contaminate the officer's clothing, etc. In addition, the pain of OC lasts anywhere from 30 min to several hours as opposed to 5 seconds with a taser. They have a strong case. Perhaps I need to reevaluate this one. :)

I think you do. I am the biggest Taser over OC advocate I know. I could go on and on about the effectiveness and workability of the taser. There are so many more advantages, especially because it steps away from pain compliance and goes into the overtaking of the Central Nervous System. Demanded Compliance. There are people you can drop in a pool OC spray and all they will do is swim around in it and take a gulp. Then when you implement the taser they drop like a fly. Because you are no longer trying to get them to comply by hurting them, you are now getting them to comply by overtaking their CNS. A lot more effective IMO.