SO ID cards

[ACP01]

What level of ID cards do you issue or are issued?

At my FD job we are issued both ID and PAS cards.
The PAS (Personal Accountability System) cards are made to be cut and opened in the event of serious injury. They contain contact info, medical history etc. Both have up to date photos.

I plan to use this type of ID when I can get it set up.

Any other ideas?

[N. A. Corbier]

Fargo or other Card Systems are infinitely better than your laser printer and a laminator.

Spend the grand on a Fargo or Magicard or whatever system. I plan (sorry, distributors) to pick one up off ebay. You can encode them magnetically, or have RFID tag in them. Full face printing. With a Logitech Quickcam, a PC with printing software, and a Magicard printer, you have a complete DMV-style document creation station. Total cost used? About 2.5 grand, with PC. Total cost new? I've seen the printers go for about 3 grand USD, but those are super expensive.

I'm sure some of our integrators have their preferences, and why they have them, on manufacturer and unit. I'd like to hear about them, and will post some basic criteria for a card system for my organization:

- Full face printing on front. Optional face printing on back depending on printer cost.
- Tamper resistant printing media (film). I don't care how its tamper resistant, ie: Holocote, holographic die (Magicard), etc. Just make the film unique.
- Ability to print from multiple templates (Robust software to drive the printer)
- Small Duty Use - I'd print about 1-4 cards a day, not 1000-4000 like some companies do.

I think these are basic for any startup organization.

[Mr. Security]

I have my state issued "guard card," a picture ID for the post I work at with emergency contact information attached, and - don't laugh :p - dog tags with my name, address, medical allergies, and a notice that I have a legal medical directive completed.

[N. A. Corbier]

I have my state issued "guard card," a picture ID for the post I work at with emergency contact information attached, and - don't laugh :p - dog tags with my name, address, medical allergies, and a notice that I have a legal medical directive completed.

Hey, why not. 9 times out of 10, your standing there going, "So, who is this guy?"

[1stWatch]

I only carry my state commission card (they don't call it a "guard card" here, tg) and my driver license. Both of them have my photo and pertinent information.

[OccamsRazor]

Contract rules, I carry all my ID cards and cert cards in a clear ID holder on the shirt pocket:

-Driver's License
-WA State Armed Guard license
-GSA Photo ID
-DHS Photo ID (prox card as well)
-FAA Photo ID (prox card as well)
-OCAT cert card
-Baton cert card

[Will]

Nothing specific to my department, but I have my company ID, ORD badge, JFK badge, proxy card, and my forklift certification card :rolleyes:

[Mr. Security]

Nothing specific to my department, but I have my company ID, ORD badge, JFK badge, proxy card, and my forklift certification card :rolleyes:

JFK badge, IL? What is that?

[EMTGuard]

I have my 'guard card' from the State in my wallet. The plant where I work issues those of us working contract Security a photo ID we are supposed to wear clipped to our uniform but nobody ever bothers wearing it unless we know the Coast Guard is coming to do an inspection.

[Bill Warnock]

I have my state issued "guard card," a picture ID for the post I work at with emergency contact information attached, and - don't laugh :p - dog tags with my name, address, medical allergies, and a notice that I have a legal medical directive completed.
I wear my "dog tags" everytime I fly, business or pleasure. When asked by airport screeners why they are worn, my answer is simple, they will survive when the rest of me is ash. You can see they are unnerved. When on a survey they are always with me.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[ACP01]

I wear my "dog tags" everytime I fly, business or pleasure. When asked by airport screeners why they are worn, my answer is simple, they will survive when the rest of me is ash. You can see they are unnerved. When on a survey they are always with me.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

Good point about the dog tags Bill.

The reason I am thinking of going with an offshoot of my FD ID is that if a guard is injured the tag can be opened with medical and contact info there for EMS and ER to see. Also I think with a company card I can have other info there that would not be on a generic ID.

I like the swipe card idea but an EMT or Medic would not have access to a card reader in my area at point of contact.

[N. A. Corbier]

A medical "breakaway" card is useful. However, you have to weigh one thing: The HIPPA requirements, and the possibility that the employee may fail to disclose information on that card - fearing that you'll terminate their employment due to a medical issue they're hiding. This may generate liability on the company for providing "negligent" data.

These are brushed aside if the card is strictly optional.

[Will]

JFK badge, IL? What is that?

Company I work for has 2 buildings at JFK. Can't walk around the building without an escort if you don't have a NYPA badge. So, I got the badge. Miami and Atlanta ID's to follow shortly :D

[ACP01]

A medical "breakaway" card is useful. However, you have to weigh one thing: The HIPPA requirements, and the possibility that the employee may fail to disclose information on that card - fearing that you'll terminate their employment due to a medical issue they're hiding. This may generate liability on the company for providing "negligent" data.

These are brushed aside if the card is strictly optional.

Good point about the medical issue. As far as the HIPPA the info is on the side that is on the inside of a two sided folded card inside a sealed pouch.

[N. A. Corbier]

By HIPPA, I mean storing your edition of the card information, since you'd need a copy for scene management, like your engine and FF tags. That information would be privvy to HIPPA safeguards.

[wjohnc]

"What level of ID card?"
ID card??
What the hell is an ID card??

In Newfoundland, Canada, the Government of Newfoundland, Department of Government Services, Trade Practices Division, gives you a paper - paper, mind you, not even laminated - licence with no picture. It's almost useless.

And there was talk just a month or so ago by the government of eliminating that.

That's the same government that allows guards to work for 3 months(!!!) without a Certificate of Conduct (criminal record check), training, or licence. Thank the gods they're not armed...


So many reasons to hate working here...


wjohnc

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[N. A. Corbier]

Some US States require:
- A "license" to perform duties, which may or may not have your picture.
- A "Company ID Card" which shows that your an employee, without picture.

That's about it. :)

[Charger]

Yup yup... That's one of my few complaints about the states here in the Pacific NW... the state-issued licenses are made of paper, with no pic.... And they actually tried to make it a rule a while back in OR that you COULDN'T laminate them.. (like a SSI card) fortunately that one got overthrown... But I still find it strange that they dont do SOMETHING to make them a little more durable..

[N. A. Corbier]

Yup yup... That's one of my few complaints about the states here in the Pacific NW... the state-issued licenses are made of paper, with no pic.... And they actually tried to make it a rule a while back in OR that you COULDN'T laminate them.. (like a SSI card) fortunately that one got overthrown... But I still find it strange that they dont do SOMETHING to make them a little more durable..

Florida issues Magikote or Fargo "Credit Card Like" or "Driver's License Like" IDs for all occupations managed by Division of Licensing. Interesting note: The Concealed Weapons Permitting System is also under DoL control, so they get an almost similar ID.

Our D, DI, G, and other licenses are not marked 'Not for Identification Purposes,' but the W card is. :) I had a non-client (member of the board on a condo association) give me a W card as a form of intimidation when asked for ID. Since the board was not authorized in the clubhouse at night, it earned him "armed trespass."

[bigshotceo]

You think that's bad? Here in Ontario (Canada) our cards are pink! Also, they're slightly larger than a standard card, so you can't keep in it a card slot in your wallet. As well, the picture is glued onto the card itself, so there's no stopping anyone from simply peeling off the picture and gluing their own on.


"What level of ID card?"
ID card??
What the hell is an ID card??

In Newfoundland, Canada, the Government of Newfoundland, Department of Government Services, Trade Practices Division, gives you a paper - paper, mind you, not even laminated - licence with no picture. It's almost useless.

And there was talk just a month or so ago by the government of eliminating that.

That's the same government that allows guards to work for 3 months(!!!) without a Certificate of Conduct (criminal record check), training, or licence. Thank the gods they're not armed...


So many reasons to hate working here...


wjohnc

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the purpose of life is to leave this world a better place than it was when you came into it

[ACP01]

By HIPPA, I mean storing your edition of the card information, since you'd need a copy for scene management, like your engine and FF tags. That information would be privvy to HIPPA safeguards.

Ok got ya. I had an DTD (dumber than dirt) moment I guess.

Yeah, the file would have to be either encrypted or password protected with restricted access. The info could be kept on a CD, floppy, or DVD as long as it was kept in a secure place.

[N. A. Corbier]

Ok got ya. I had an DTD (dumber than dirt) moment I guess.

Yeah, the file would have to be either encrypted or password protected with restricted access. The info could be kept on a CD, floppy, or DVD as long as it was kept in a secure place.

As long as you take safety precautions as outlined in HIPPA, I don't think it can come back and bite you in the ass.

Don't forget to inform the local FD and EMS providers that all your employees carry medic tags. :)

[ACP01]

Don't forget to inform the local FD and EMS providers that all your employees carry medic tags. :)

One thing about being involved with FD and EMS in 2 counties is I know just about everyone that would respond or at least their ageincies. ;)
But that is very good advice.

[Mr. Security]

Company I work for has 2 buildings at JFK. Can't walk around the building without an escort if you don't have a NYPA badge. So, I got the badge. Miami and Atlanta ID's to follow shortly :D

Now I get it. :)

[SgtUSMC8541]

The company I work for is in the mists of growing pains and we do not have an ID card system in place yet. I am looking for a simple lamination system to use so that at least I can ID my officers out of my office. Now I can get the lamination from Staples of course so I am really looking for a badge template. I only have 100 or so officer right now so I have no need for a major independent ID card system. Does anyone know of a system/on line/ store purchase that sounds like it meets my needs? I could even do the photos in my office, or use a digital camera.

Thanks.

[N. A. Corbier]

The company I work for is in the mists of growing pains and we do not have an ID card system in place yet. I am looking for a simple lamination system to use so that at least I can ID my officers out of my office. Now I can get the lamination from Staples of course so I am really looking for a badge template. I only have 100 or so officer right now so I have no need for a major independent ID card system. Does anyone know of a system/on line/ store purchase that sounds like it meets my needs? I could even do the photos in my office, or use a digital camera.

Thanks.

Its not that hard to do ID badges on the cheap. First, do you have a program such as Microsoft Word or perferably Microsoft Publisher?

Design the ID card template. Look at your state license, or a driver's license for the "look" of the card. Does your state require a company ID? If not, then you can put basically anything you want on it within reason and the law.

At a minimum, it should contain:
Employee's Full Name
Employee's State License Numbers
Employer Name and Address
Employer State License Number
Employee's Position in Company
Employee's Date of Hire
Employee's ID Number

Some states do not require a picture on the ID, but I believe its more useful to have a picture on the ID, as well as a signature.

If you have a simple 20.00 webcam, clear lighting conditions in the photography area, you can do digital IDs. A 1 MP webcam will yield OK results, but real cameras work better - if its easy to grab the picture, crop it, and paste it into the "picture" box in your program.

As far as templates, if your asking for a template, we need to know what state your in, what laws pertaining to security IDs there are in your state, and what programs you have available to edit/print these out in.

I use MS Publisher 2003 for "print layout," or Illustrator depending on my mood, and Photoshop CS2 exclusively for graphics work. Ie: Logos, designs, etc.

Also, I strongly caution against placing the State Seal on your ID cards unless you are CONFIDENT that your ID does not convey official authority. You might, and this is pushing it, have a "State Seal" and place "Licensed by the State of Blah," but in many jurisidictions its illegal. Its also illegal to use the US Coat of Arms (The Eagle) on corporate IDs.

[SgtUSMC8541]

Outstanding. Thanks very much.

[Casca]

Here in Alaska, a security guard has 30 days from time of hire to apply for a state guard license. Some security firms pay for the license for the guys and then take it out of the employee's bi monthly check. The security guard must have the state license on them any time that they are in uniform.

[N. A. Corbier]

Here in Alaska, a security guard has 30 days from time of hire to apply for a state guard license. Some security firms pay for the license for the guys and then take it out of the employee's bi monthly check. The security guard must have the state license on them any time that they are in uniform.

Are they required to issue their employees a Company identification card? That's what the Sergeant is trying to come up with.

[SgtUSMC8541]

IN Conn, they have to have their state id on them at all times or face a fine. If enough get fines that work for one company, then the company gets fined too.

[Casca]

Are they required to issue their employees a Company identification card? That's what the Sergeant is trying to come up with.

No Company ID is needed.Each state ID has the company name on it. If a guard is posted at a secure site, then he will have a post ID which is usually a key card.When or if a guard goes to another security company, the old id has to be sent in and the new company will request a new one with their company name on it.

[nyspo]

i have a id card for both security and a badge ...after i go to school for a special police officer i will have another badge and id card


special or auxiliary police officer

[Mr. Security]

No Company ID is needed.Each state ID has the company name on it.....

That may be the case in your state, but not in Conn.

[nyspo]

Where are you going to be special police?


i have the back ground packet for special police officer for ogden ...specnceroprt ny they dont have a requirement for living thier. i also looked into gates ny.

i would love to do greece ny but you have to live in monroe county and i wont be living thier until june or july when my lease is up here

[crankloud]

We use cardax systems in Aus.It monitors all use of cards keeping the information for 14 days in case of incident.

[EMTGuard]

No Company ID is needed.Each state ID has the company name on it. If a guard is posted at a secure site, then he will have a post ID which is usually a key card.When or if a guard goes to another security company, the old id has to be sent in and the new company will request a new one with their company name on it.
Same here in Louisiana. My Company's name is typed on the State issue card.

[jakeslife]

"Here, let me take a digital picture of you...okay, I'll be right back with your flimsy paper ID that's really grainy."

[N. A. Corbier]

"Here, let me take a digital picture of you...okay, I'll be right back with your flimsy paper ID that's really grainy."

If the webcam is taking grainy pictures, perhaps it either

1) Needs a stronger light source on the subject

2) Needs to be replaced with something more expensive than the 15.99 Walmart Special.

:)

[CAPTAIN KOOLAID]

Here is fairy cheap company that makes professional looking id cards.

http://www.nles.com/store/customer/home.php

[davis002]

Here is fairy cheap company that makes professional looking id cards.

http://www.nles.com/store/customer/home.php

I would suggest NOT using this company (or any others like them). Anybody with $4 can buy an ID, and make it look EXACTLY like what you issue for your company. Granted, you can practically do that with any ID... this just makes it that much easier.

[Minneapolis Security]

I would suggest NOT using this company (or any others like them). Anybody with $4 can buy an ID, and make it look EXACTLY like what you issue for your company. Granted, you can practically do that with any ID... this just makes it that much easier.


With the fargo card printer, it would be difficult for someone to copy your ID without the proper template. They could try to re-create it, but it would be alot of work.

[HotelSecurity]

I want to spam the forum with my URL, but the moderators won't let me. If I was smart, I'd read the rules, but I didn't.

Thanks,
Richard

Funny Richard but we're not stupid. Your screen name & company "your colleague mentioned" are the same. I don't think you are an end user. I think you should be honest with us & post in the Vendor thread :mad:

[EdmontonLP]

You can custom design your own ID Cards for extremely cheap at
easyidcard.com
Myself and a few guys I went to school with actively assist in Search and Rescue (MPI's) and we had our own ID Cards Made along with our Medical Information and Emergancy contact info.
If you contact them directly they maybe able to assist in making a better pricing. However our cards are of amazing quality along with the hallow gram's unless you seriously want to duplicate it good luck trying to make a forgery.
Please take a look.

[HotelSecurity]

You can custom design your own ID Cards for extremely cheap at
easyidcard.com
Myself and a few guys I went to school with actively assist in Search and Rescue (MPI's) and we had our own ID Cards Made along with our Medical Information and Emergancy contact info.
If you contact them directly they maybe able to assist in making a better pricing. However our cards are of amazing quality along with the hallow gram's unless you seriously want to duplicate it good luck trying to make a forgery.
Please take a look.

It's sort of a hobby of mine, designing badges. I have about 20 badges saved on their site. I've also ordered 3 & their quality IS good.

[EdmontonLP]

It's sort of a hobby of mine, designing badges. I have about 20 badges saved on their site. I've also ordered 3 & their quality IS good.

Yes,

We were very impressed with the quality. Especially for the price. The site is easy to use (Even though I am young I am not that great with computers) decent interface ect.
I believe he would be impressed if he used them.

[DazednadConfused]

Hallow gram?

:cool: