Special Police

[SecurityJamesUSA]

Are there any Special Police Officers, Deputies, constables or conservators of the peace out there?

I am a Sworn Special Police Officer in Washington DC (full arrest powers,blue lights, ect), all armed security in DC have to be Sworn in as Special Police Officers because pretty much Police are the only people allowed to have firearms in the city limits.

I would like to hear from other Special Officers and learn about the regulations to be a Special Police Officers, Deputies, constables or conservators in your state.

[talon]

I am a Special Police Officer here in North Carolina. In this state you must have completed a police academy to be sworn in. We have full arrest powers on the property and hot pursuit authority.

[N. A. Corbier]

I have a question for you two. I have heard several Federal LEOs deride the "Special Police Officers" as glorified guards, who should not have arrest powers, and should not have the word "police" in their title.

Does anyone who has special police authority have issues/problems/etc with the local "regular" law enforcement agencies and officers?

I remember one federal contract where the officer on the post (DEA) would be sworn in as a DEA Agent or other Special Police Officer (I forget which), to allow them to arrest any trespasser on property, enforce parking/traffic laws on site, and to have access to NCIC, etc. The company was required to provide one squad with red and blue lights, and another squad with red and blue lights to transport to the county jail. They would write an authorization for the blue lights for the transport unit.

[talon]

Here in North Carolina the public security (AKA Police) have a complex. I think it hurts their feelings when they figure out you don't have to call them... I takes away their ability to say "well, all they can do is call the REAL Police". As private security continues to get more and more authority I believe before too long we will be able to take over more of the jobs that the public security (AKA Police) are doing now.

[N. A. Corbier]

Here in North Carolina the public security (AKA Police) have a complex. I think it hurts their feelings when they figure out you don't have to call them... I takes away their ability to say "well, all they can do is call the REAL Police". As private security continues to get more and more authority I believe before too long we will be able to take over more of the jobs that the public security (AKA Police) are doing now.

Its happening in Private Corrections, much to the opposition of the Faternal Order of Police (Who's public policy on private corrections being extremely dangerous and counter-serving the public at www.fop.org (http://www.fop.org)) and correction officer's associations.

The strange thing to me, is that from what I understand, the majority of corrections are NOT sworn officers, merely "jailers" or other civilian employees. I understand that alot of COs are trying to get sworn status, so the private corrections movement may be defeating their attempt to be sworn "real" police officers.

This is like the probation officer who is sworn, wondering what the hell is up with the state that has non-sworn probation officers. (I would, too.) Dealing with felons all day without a weapon and a badge that means absolutely nothing to the State... Sound familiar, folks?

Eventually, the "progressive" movement in the industry will either win, or fail to survive against the combined onslaught against private law enforcement services from both public law enforcement associations and the largest guard companies who do not wish an increase in training or responsibility. Increased training means increased capability, which means increased culpability, which means increased pay for employees, and increased insurance premiums. Most insurance carriers will refuse to insure a security company if they take on "police-type duties," referring them to The Hartford or another company that writes municipal bonds for police agencies.

[N. A. Corbier]

Our SCOP program was recently taken over/overhauled by the Virginia DCJS. As a result, many more applicants were introduced to the fun world of "Special Police" and it may backfire over the next few years. Most security personnel who have LE experience know that displaying the word "Police" on our monkey suits and shiny gear is anything but fun, and carries with it a lot of responsibility. -End of rant.

Here's the VA code that deals with SCOP's in Virginia. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-13 if anyone's interested.

If a contract calls for SCOP's, we get into direct contact with the Clerk of the Court in whatever jurisdiction we'll be working, and apply for a four year SCOP license with the court. With the courts approval, we work with DCJS to make sure all requirements are met by the applicant (training, background, pee-pee tests etc.) If everything is a go, and with the courts approval, the SCOP's can use the word "Police" usually followed by "Special Conservator" on our patches, badges, and uniforms.

Firearms restrictions are based on what you qualify with. I believe DC SPO's are limited to .38's. Is that correct SecurityJamesUSA?

We're restricted to Red/White submission lights, and any vehicle with these lights must have a siren.

Because the program is fairly new, you can imagine the looks we get from sworn LEO's when we do alarm response, stop-and-talk's and all the rest of it. But with anything else, if you carry yourself well enough, the local P. D. is more likely to assist rather than be a hindrance.

This is fascinating, this law. It basically allows a Court to create regular police officers with fixed protective areas, out of security guards. Does a SPO require to take a full LE academy?

If not, I can see how this would rankle the rank and file police officer. After all, they took massive amounts of training, etc. They tested into a police department. And now, some company can hire SOPs with less training, no grueling testing process, and they're police officers too!

[SecurityJamesUSA]

Yes some police may look at ?Special Police Officers? or SPO?s glorified guards, and admittedly many are. The situation here in DC having to be sworn in as SPO?s is BECAUSE OF the Police and local government; firearms are basically illegal in the city limits so police officers are the only ones that can carry weapons. Some of the Special Police Officers here are ?glorified guards? because the security companies here have no choice but to have there Armed Security Officers licensed as Sworn Special Police Officers if they want to have the lucrative Armed Security contracts with the City, Federal government and large corporations here in DC.

I have spoken and worked with many Federal LEO?s and there jobs are identical to the Special Police Officers that work on federal properties, they are no doubt quite worried about the future of there own jobs. On the other hand I have never heard any of the retired Police Officers that I worked with complain about Special Police Officers, probably because Special Police Officers with security clearances make 30+ dollars an hour in DC.

As for the arrest powers Special Police Officers have, we can only make an arrest on the property where we are contracted to or in pursuit of someone who has committed a crime on said property. It?s not like were going around writing Jaywalking tickets to people when were off duty. There will always be people in this industry who take themselves too seriously or otherwise act silly, but this behavior is hardly limited to Security Officers.

And I hardly consider myself to be a ?Glorified Guard?, I have a BA Degree in Administration of Justice, I have worked on security/Force Protection contracts for the US Military in Qatar, the Balkans and Iraq, I have dozens of industry certifications, I have worked as a Special Police Officer in 2 states (DC and Maryland) and I make 105K a year, how many LEO?s can say that?.

I am so tired of LEO?s criticizing people who work in the Security Industry as ?glorified? this or that or as ?cop wantabe?s?, the majority of Security officers I know are ?Stone Professionals? and take there jobs very seriously. I would like to ask the LEO?s you heard describe Special Police Officers as ?glorified guards? this one question;

?how many LEO?s own there own business and become Millionaires??

I personally know over 50 ?glorified guards? that do/have, so you can tell them to stop criticizing the hard working people in the security industry


There many federal contracts like you are talking about; I have seen Security Officers Sworn in as Special Deputy US Marshals, Special Agents with the State Department?s Diplomatic Security Service, Special Police Officers with the Department of Defense and as Special Federal Law Enforcement Officers with dozens of different Federal Agencies. I myself was sworn as a Special Army Military Police Officer for 3 years.

On my last Special Police Officer job we had patrol cars with Blue Lights, Sirens, a Dispatcher with access to NCIC, most people that work in the security industry don?t know that you can get a job as a ?Private Police Officer? that?s why I started this thread, to find out about other states that have Special Police Officers and hear about there jobs.

Yes we can only carry 38?s in DC, that?s ok, I have never ever even pulled my gun, and it?s just a deterrent to the bad guys anyway.

[SecurityJamesUSA]

To ?jimmyhat?
I would like to learn more about the Special Conservator of the Pease in VA, I just recently heard about it. Do you have to put ?Special Conservator? if you use the word POLICE on your path/badge? In DC we have to use the word ?Special? if we use the word ?Police? and both words have to be the exact same size, I guess its so you cant make a patch or jacket with Police written 4-inch letters and Special written in 1/100 inch letters, hahaha. You are allowed to use a Siren and red and white lights on your vehicles?

To ?N. A. Corbier;
You are 100% correct about the pay going up when the qualifications go up, like I said Armed Special Police can make over 30 Dollars an hour in DC and Contract managers can make 6 figures. States starting Special Police licensing with lots of mandatory training is the beat thing ever to happen to the working Security officer.

As far as the training goes it depends on the state, in North Carolina they have a ?Company Police? system witch allows someone to set up there own Police Department and offer police services to the public for a fee. There Special Police program is one of the best because it requires the Officer to attend the full police academy.

In DC we only go to a short 1 week academy in addition to the security school.

We will never replace Public Police officers, no more than Public Police will replace security officers. We are a business, weather we are ?Guards? or ?Special Police? our place will always be to provide a commercial service to the public, not a Public Service and that?s the way it should be.

[N. A. Corbier]

James, I like you. :) I wish this forum had rep.

That said, I think that programs like these will probally be the future of asset and force protection in America. The only issues are clients who refuse to pay more than $8.00 per man hour for a warm body, companies who squeeze profit by ghosting and other neferious acts, and a society who sees the security industry as a convient place to store a segment of its service industry population.

Ie: You want fries with that?

Give it time, though.

[SecurityJamesUSA]

That?s true most commercial security contracts will always be low paying jobs, my first security job paid minimum wage.

That?s why Special Police jobs will be the future of the ?working man? in this industry. The majority of Special Police jobs are State, Federal and Military (DOD) contracts, they have high training standards and in most cases excellent salaries and benefits.

Until I found out about these Special Police positions I did not think that I could make a good living in the security industry, I know what a strain financially it can be it can be to work in the security business, I feel very fortunate that I have finally made a good living in security because I REALLY love this work. And Special Police work is the way to go if you want to make a good living in Security.

So, calling all Special Police Officers, Deputies, constables or conservators of the peace out there, let everyone know about you!

[Will]

This actually came up as a topic between a friend of mine and I today at work.

I'm the security supervisor (I pretty much run the entire department without much in the way of overwatch) for the company I work for. A friend of mine told me about a few "side jobs" his CPD cousin told him about. In this case, at a "side job" he just did, he was un-armed, since he was technically a civilian.

He went on to tell me that people can get trained as SPO's and be legally able to carry a sidearm on certain jobs (if it calls for it). He mentioned that come colleges may even over such courses as these. Where can I find information about something like this?

[SecurityJamesUSA]

To ?Will?

What state do you live in? Maybe there id a Special Police officer from your state here that can help you, I?ll also look in to it for you.

[Will]

Right, sorry, that would probably help :rolleyes: goes to edit his profile

I live in Northern Illinois, Cook County.

[N. A. Corbier]

This kinda makes sense. Unless they changed it, there is no difference between a police officer's powers of arrest, and the powers of arrest of a private citizen. Both have full arrest authority upon detecting a criminal violation, immunity from civil and criminal liabliity if the arrest is righteous, and it is illegal to resist a private person's arrest.

I found this out while reading the BATF "State Laws and Regulations on Firearms" book, which it seems BATF considered arrest powers part of the firearms regulations.

Anyone know if this law is still true? If so, it would be easy to create special police, as everyone already has arrest powers.

[talon]

Here in my home state of NC a full police academy is required to be sworn as an SPO I however, even though I went through the academy, don't think that you should have to.

SPOs here have no friends at all, Neither at the state or local levels. I mean it's tough that here all LEOs go through the same training and standards but SPOs because we are private arent thought of as equals.

I have worked some of the most dangerous locations in the state, I have been in hundreds of violent confrontations & made hundreds of arrests, I've been shot at a couple of times, I'm at the scene while it all happens, I don't have the luxury of the locals, to show up when I get ready, Im already there.

Yet a small town LEO who has never had to draw his OC much less anything else is still considered one of the "brotherhood" while the SPOs aren't.

Here in this state there are SPO departments who specialize in drug interdiction and many other areas and make as many if not more arrests than departments that are of equal size.

I think it all goes back to the good ole boy syndrome. Maybe things will change at some point...but, I doubt it.

[Arff312]

what state are you in talon ?

[talon]

I'm from NC, the state with the most idiots.

[SecurityJamesUSA]

?Will?
I couldn?t find anything online about special police, but I am almost positive that there are Special Police in Chicago.
I will start a new thread asking if anyone from Illinois knows anything.

?talon?
Because the ?public police? don?t want to make friends it is even more important to make friends with other Special Police Departments. I understand the Special Police Departments in NC are business competitors, but the Officers that work for them can still band together and work together. Make your own ?good old boy? network.

I really like the Special Police system in North Carolina, basically you can (with proper licensing) start your own private police department and offer Police services to the public for a fee, as far as I know NC is one of the only states where a private individual can do that. I think San Francisco CA has something like that they call ?Patrol Specials?, there was a movie with Christen Slater called ?Kuffs? that was about it.

In DC you have to be hired by a Security company first then the company will apply for your Special Police License (SPO) with the Metropolitan Police DC.

You will then gat a license that is good for 1 year, We are ?strictly confined in our authority to the particular place or property which we are commissioned to protect? or in pursuit of a person from the property witch we are commissioned to protect (Hot Pursuit)
We have to wear a uniform and on our patches the words ?SPECIAL? and ?POLICE? must always appear together and of equal size and height. We can get a Waver on wearing a uniform from the DC Police if we have to work a ?plainclothes? assignment.
We have to qualify yearly with our firearm; currently we may only carry 38 revolvers.

I would still like to hear from any Special Police, constables, deputies or Conservators of the Pease out there

[SecurityJamesUSA]

There have to be more Special Police here than 3 people, hello!

[N. A. Corbier]

There have to be more Special Police here than 3 people, hello!

They might be on officer.com, thinking themselves to be police officers, and not security guards.

[talon]

Good point Corbier,

alot of people forget where they came from once they get to use the word "POLICE" on their uniforms, they think then that they are part of a different brotherhood.

I consider myself a private officer. I have a completely different mindset from the public officers. I belive in keeping the peace, securing the public and solving problems.

My first concern isn't if i can get into a car chase when I get to work or trying to make another agency look bad so mine can get some glory.

I thought we were all in this together...but its hard to get to the issues when egos are in the way...and egos are the largest in the "law enforcement community".

[Mr. Security]

I belive in keeping the peace, securing the public and solving problems.


A rare attitude, but very refreshing. :)



I thought we were all in this together...but its hard to get to the issues when egos are in the way...and egos are the largest in the "law enforcement community".

AMEN!!!

[OccamsRazor]

...and egos are the largest in the "law enforcement community".
You haven't met enough lawyers then :D

[SecurityJamesUSA]

That is true, Some Special Police Officers that I have worked with in the past ?forget? who they are, just because they wear Police badges, run blue lights and the company is called XXXX Police Dept.

But not to many, only a few, its easy to get a little bit of an ego when you first start working as a Special Police Officer, But it usually wears off quickly.

No matter what we wear we are still private security officers, and we have to stick together.

The ironic thing is, when most public police officers retire they usually become security guards.

[N. A. Corbier]

That is true, Some Special Police Officers that I have worked with in the past ?forget? who they are, just because they wear Police badges, run blue lights and the company is called XXXX Police Dept.

But not to many, only a few, its easy to get a little bit of an ego when you first start working as a Special Police Officer, But it usually wears off quickly.

No matter what we wear we are still private security officers, and we have to stick together.

The ironic thing is, when most public police officers retire they usually become security guards.

Yeah, but they usually keep a retired badge in their back pocket, and are quick to use it if an on-duty gives em grief.

[Will]

?Will?
I couldn?t find anything online about special police, but I am almost positive that there are Special Police in Chicago.
I will start a new thread asking if anyone from Illinois knows anything.


I noticed that, thanks much, I appreciate it!

[talon]

Here in my home state the locals will not transport for you at all. They will say " don't your badge say police?"

Also Jimmyhat, tell me if I'm right about this, but I believe an armed Security Officer can make an arrest in Va.? and doesnt that include transporting to the magistrate?

[N. A. Corbier]

I hadn't thought about that with you folks, but yeah, I could see why the locals are going, "Your the police, act like it." In that capacity, you'd need a "wagon" unit to process and and book.

I would of thought that a company who offers private law enforcement services, with sworn officers, would of thought of the transport problem. You are the police, why should another agency transport your prisoners? :)

But, then, I'm all for putting cages in cars and trucks. There is an onus on the company to provide a safe and secure place to store their prisoner, special police or private citizen, away from harm and public ridicule. I'd call that the back of a patrol car. :)

[talon]

If you have completed a full police academy in another state NC will accept it as long as it is Equal to NC's academies, our standards division is very anal about these things.

Also in order to attend an academy you have to be sponsored by an "agency"
but private agencies in this state must pay to attend the academy where as public agencies attend for free.

Last year they raised the annual in service training requirements and I had to pick up the dime for all of my classes while all the other public officers got theirs free.

It really pisses the public agencies off that now police hopefuls don't have to count on being picked up by them. Now there are more choices and that really pisses the "good ole boys" off because they don't have the final say.

Like I've said before... they make us abide by the exact same standards but we don't get the same treatment here.

[talon]

If you use the word "Security" you are only asking for trouble. Use anything but security. Before I became a "Sworn Officer ooh ahh" I had uniforms with the words "Officer Private Sector" on them, people just couldn't figure out who we were or what our authority was. but Crime Prevention Officer is a great title.

[Tennsix]

Here in my home state the locals will not transport for you at all. They will say " don't your badge say police?"

Also Jimmyhat, tell me if I'm right about this, but I believe an armed Security Officer can make an arrest in Va.? and doesnt that include transporting to the magistrate?
You catch it, you clean it. :D

[N. A. Corbier]

You catch it, you clean it. :D

You made me laugh. Honestly, I couldn't see arresting someone, and then calling locals or the Sheriff to process them. They don't have that ability, why should a private law enforcement agency think they should?

Besides, how would they fill out the warrantless arrest affidavit? They didn't establish the probable cause to arrest the suspect. :)

[N. A. Corbier]

If you use the word "Security" you are only asking for trouble. Use anything but security. Before I became a "Sworn Officer ooh ahh" I had uniforms with the words "Officer Private Sector" on them, people just couldn't figure out who we were or what our authority was. but Crime Prevention Officer is a great title.

Most of the states I've seen reserve that title now for a public sector operation, "National Association of Crime Prevention Specialists," which are non-sworn or sworn police officers / reserves trained in crime prevention strategies. They will go INSANE if someone calls themselves a "Crime Prevention Officer," and seek injunction.

This seems to be related to the fact most crime prevention sections in PD agencies charge for their services. They seemed to have noticed an untapped resource, and are cashing in on it using the public's trust in public law enforcement to do a "better job."

[N. A. Corbier]

Once again, a pulg my state. You'd think I was getting paid for this.

Virginia started a Private Crime Prevention Practitioner Program for private security personnel. Here's the link if anyones interested.
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/pss/special/pcpp.cfm

I've alreaay seen a couple of Hard-Core's running around with the title on their jackets.

You know, I thought PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER was alot to put on the back of a jacket. That's a mouth full.

[Echos13]

You should see PPO and under it Private Protection Officer. We just settled for Security in bold letters for the time being. We thought it would confuse people that we might me with probation and parole. We are considering PSO, but then that looks to much like PCSO. :rolleyes: It is amazing how little people pay any attention to what's on a shirt or jacket these days though. Unless it says Police or something like that.

[N. A. Corbier]

You should see PPO and under it Private Protection Officer. We just settled for Security in bold letters for the time being. We thought it would confuse people that we might me with probation and parole. We are considering PSO, but then that looks to much like PCSO. :rolleyes: It is amazing how little people pay any attention to what's on a shirt or jacket these days though. Unless it says Police or something like that.

My favorite one:

Private 1/2 inch
POLICE 2 inch
Officer 1/2 inch

[OccamsRazor]

Sounds like one of the older (not sure if they're still around) security companies around here. The company initials were WSP, so of course a couple of their real wannabees had WSP emblazoned on the backs of their jackets. I used to live in an apartment complex they guarded, and saw this all the time. I'd ask them if they were security or Washington State Patrol officers (knowing full well the answer), and most of the time I'd get something along the lines of "I'm with W-S-P". Sometimes they'd admit after being asked again that they were security, a few of the guys got aggressive about it.

[N. A. Corbier]

Sounds like one of the older (not sure if they're still around) security companies around here. The company initials were WSP, so of course a couple of their real wannabees had WSP emblazoned on the backs of their jackets. I used to live in an apartment complex they guarded, and saw this all the time. I'd ask them if they were security or Washington State Patrol officers (knowing full well the answer), and most of the time I'd get something along the lines of "I'm with W-S-P". Sometimes they'd admit after being asked again that they were security, a few of the guys got aggressive about it.

Yeah. I love people like that. Several times, I've had to determine who a security officer was - public authority or private police. The term was foreign to me, being from Florida where merely the WORD police is restricted.

I had two of em stop me, their jackets (They weren't wearing uniforms like we would refer to, unless there's some cool jeans and sweatshirt uniform I don't know about...) said SECURITY POLICE, with the police in two inch print, and the security in 1/4th inch print.

I could of had two SECURITY POLICE jackets, because by the time I was done with them, I had completely dominated the situation. They carried, and did a pedestrian stop on public street with, those yellow "director lite" flashlights. Nothing else, not even a cell phone.

Oh, I had one. The city police said they were within their rights to detain me for "suspicious activity," because I was out at 9 PM at night near an area with reported burglaries.

[OccamsRazor]

Yeah. I love people like that. Several times, I've had to determine who a security officer was - public authority or private police. The term was foreign to me, being from Florida where merely the WORD police is restricted.

Yeesh...While working in California, I was asked to cover another beat than my usual one, in an area that surrounds an incorporated resort town. I stopped a car in excess, and as I was making contact, I had a guy walk up behind me (not a good idea) and ask very loudly if I was 'code four'. This guy was a guard for some sort of company in the area. He had parked his car at an angle behind my unit, lit up his amber strobes (visor ones) and decided to back me up. Hell, the car looked at a glance like one of the town's cruisers, and the uniform was very similar.

The driver of the car was curious was I was so pissed at this guy...He'd thought that the company was a LE agency. He told me of a couple of instances where he'd seen their cars blow lights in the city after lighting off the ambers.

He got off without a cite for speed, but the guard got one (CVC 25279). I also told his supervisor to have the strobes removed forthwith.

I have no problem with the lighting, as long as it's used legally. The uniform, vehicle and attitude were a different story. If the difference between a guard and a deputy is imperceptible, there are issues that need to be addressed.

OTOH, the company that had guards in my usual beat was top-notch. Run by a retired dep, they had pretty high standards. As I was leaving the SO, 2 of the incoming FNGs were former officers for this place. Heh, I had their radio freq in the cruiser's scanner and often showed up on THEIR calls when it was slow...Always a good time.

[N. A. Corbier]

Heh. I had no problem backing cops up, and would throw on the light bar (Warning of a hazard). But, the primary thing was: They knew who I was, and I knew who they were, and they LIKED the additional help. Of course, in Florida, a security vehicle may run its warning lights at any time to warn of a hazard on the road.

The only time someone should pull in behind to assist is when its obvious that the LEO is losing the fight. At that time, if you can do it safely (that's a big if there), then you can play calvary.

I do remember one time, my partner and I were driving home from work, and the gas station we were getting a car wash at (Car better have a wash before its parked at the office in the morning...) was robbed at knife point. Guy spun out, which raised our attention. The cashier ran to us, then we noticed a deputy pulling in for coffee, and off we went. We didn't go all balls to the wall, just followed the deputy - he knew he was being followed, didn't care. It was "on" when the deputy started his traffic stop in the middle of lane 3 on a 4 lane road, and the guy HIT the deputy with his vehicle to escape. Deputy jumped in, was in pursuit (forgot to radio), and off we went. Didn't have to violate any speed laws, use our lights, anything. Found the suspect vehicle ditched IN a ditch (tore up 40 feet of fence line), the deputy's vehicle with its door open pulled to the side.

While my partner was more concerned with us "not appearing to interfere," I had other thoughts. We were already a target. The door to the cruiser was open. There was a wreck, and no deputy, no suspect. So, I advanced, cleared the cruiser, locked and shut the door. Moved to the next point - the suspect's car, made sure it wasn't on fire, and entered the tractor trailer farm after I heard struggling. Lo and behold, the guy was winning, till I drew my ASP and extended it while running at them both. The deputy took that moment to clock the guy HARD, and he went down. And we took the guy back to the car, stuffed him in, and then tried to figure out where the hell we all were - the deputy hadn't put anything out on the air other than "suspect vehicle crashed, foot pursuit."

I was rather happy with myself in that I executed the tasks assigned to me (cuff, search, stuff) in such a way that I recovered a crack pipe, verified he wasn't armed, verified he didn't have a hidden handcuff key, and that he didn't have any needles or any other crap, that the deputy felt no need to re-search the guy, or check his cuffs, etc.

For 10 minutes of fun, there was 6 hours of paperwork and interviews from three different agencies, since we were the only witnesses to a traffic crash, agg. battery on a LEO (The deputy forgot he was struck, honestly), posession of paraphanelia, and aggrivated trespass. We found the knife.

[OccamsRazor]

(The deputy forgot he was struck, honestly),

I believe it...The last arrest I made as an officer in Alaska degenerated into a brawl when another (younger) officer's manhood was insulted. Apparently, I was kicked in the head. I didn't realize it until after we had the guy seated in the back, and I became dizzy. Dash cam confirmed it, but I have no memory of it.

[N. A. Corbier]

I believe it...The last arrest I made as an officer in Alaska degenerated into a brawl when another (younger) officer's manhood was insulted. Apparently, I was kicked in the head. I didn't realize it until after we had the guy seated in the back, and I became dizzy. Dash cam confirmed it, but I have no memory of it.

Best part was the cute deputy who investigated the traffic accident. After awhile, I stopped keeping track of report numbers, found the scene lieutenant, and he gave me all five report numbers and the info. Out of the five reports, I was listed as a primary witness in 4. Only one that didn't list me was the robbery investigation, since I was in the car wash.

Oh, and the part where the kid started screaming in the back seat, the deputy's resting on our car, and he's like, "Find out what that idiot wants..." Go up, open the front door, and ask him, "What?" "I wanna call my mommy. My neck hurts."

"How old are you," I ask. "Twenty," he says. "You can call your mommy at intake. Now, do you want medical treatment?" He of course says yes. So, we have to call an ambulance out.

Deputy had some choice words about a twenty year old wanting to call mommy after being arrested in a stolen car, wrecking it, attacking a deputy, fighting...