Security Guards who think they are cops.....

[ARealCop]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:

[davis002]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:

sigh, well aren't you special... thank you for your well thought out and professionaly delivered, intelligent speech. You may now resume watching CSI and eating bugles.

[ARealCop]

sigh, well aren't you special... thank you for your well thought out and professionaly delivered, intelligent speech. You may now resume watching CSI and eating bugles.


Sorry, CSI isn't very realistic of police work...then again, neither is security work. :D

And I liked bugles..............15 years ago.

[N. A. Corbier]

Sorry, CSI isn't very realistic of police work...then again, neither is security work. :D

And I liked bugles..............15 years ago.
Thank you for your statements. You may find that the forums on "www.officer.com," are more to your liking.

[ARealCop]

Thank you for your statements. You may find that the forums on "www.officer.com," are more to your liking.


I tend to disagree. I am a verified LEO on more than one website. O.com is not one of them. They have no way of verifying LEO's. It's a complete nightmare. So, I guess O.com would be more suitable for YOU. :D

[N. A. Corbier]

I tend to disagree. I am a verified LEO on more than one website. O.com is not one of them. They have no way of verifying LEO's. It's a complete nightmare. So, I guess O.com would be more suitable for YOU. :D

Strangely enough, I'm on RP, O.com, and SPE, and get along fine with everyone else.

They have a method of verifying LEOs, however, Officer.com is run by a magazine publishing group. Would you want to send verification information to a magazine, who's privacy policy specifically states that information you give them may be used by Cygnus Media for advertisement purposes?

Other sites are run by law enforcement officers, who are more trustworthy (untill proven otherwise) to submit information to.

[Mr. Security]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:

You're probably trying to 'bait us' into a verbal fight just to get your kicks. It's not going to work with me. I know there are good cops out there who work just fine with security officers and vice-versa. Have a nice day.:)

[N. A. Corbier]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:

The same can be said for when police officers interfere with the rights and duties of agents of private property owners, private citizens, and private property owners themselves.

Amusingly, the professional police supervisor will be quick to inform an errant police officer that there are times when police intervention is required, and there are times that you need to leave the scene as no law has been violated, but a rule or infraction has which requires addressing by the management or their agent.

[N. A. Corbier]

You're probably trying to 'bait us' into a verbal fight just to get your kicks. It's not going to work with me. I know there are good cops out there who work just fine with security officers and vice-versa. Have a nice day.:)

Red Triangle. Red Triangle. For the Win.

[ARealCop]

You're probably trying to 'bait us' into a verbal fight just to get your kicks. It's not going to work with me. I know there are good cops out there who work just fine with security officers and vice-versa. Have a nice day.:)


Sorry, I'm not. That is not my intention at all. I don't get "kicks" on that. I get kicks on kicking butt and taking names at my place of work. I work fine with decent security officers...though they are rare.

[Bill Warnock]

ARealCop, I've been in both worlds. The Air Force was the teacher, a police officer, military or civilian, is an armed social worker. He should not get his fix for the day or the moment by banging someone around. In the civil sector, I learned from seasoned officers the meaning of community policing. Without the cooperation of the public, the police officer's function is useless. The skills I learned as a police officer served me well when I entered the security arena, as a civilian employee of the US Air Force, US Army, US Navy, and US Marshals Service from which I retired. During those times I worked for various private security companies which aided my government career by observing how things were done in the industrial world. Skills learned were intertwined. Interview skills learned as a police officer were refined working in the physical security areas. The hardest part was dealing with brash young officers trying to make a name for themselves. I had a group of homeless people with me for breakfast when an officer told all of us to leave or be arrested. I identified myself and stated he was interfering with a federal investigation. He persisted. I told him he could gladly explain his action to either the US Marshal or a Federal Judge. He left and contacted his supervisor. The supervisor had worked with the Chief Deputy. The young officer was red faced and was truly contrite. His supervisor told us the young man would never last as a police officer.
Crime prevention was the exclusive province of the private sector. In modern police departments there are section or divisions devoted to crime prevention. The public police learned this part of the craft from the private sector. Until one has learned law enforcement and security are shared crafts, they remain immature, not well rounded and not trusted by their fellow officers because their crass behavior could endanger them.
In my 34 years of government service and 14 years as a security consultant, I can count on one hand the number of police officers who appear to be "badge heavy." They normally do not last in the field. Pressure from their peers and supervision force them to modify their behavior or leave.
You can do more with the brain and tongue than with a sidearm. Those who do not realize this do so at their peril.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[UncleDooly]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:

I agree with you.... Oh, and your attitude sucks.

[UncleDooly]

Sorry, I'm not. That is not my intention at all. I don't get "kicks" on that. I get kicks on kicking butt and taking names at my place of work. I work fine with decent security officers...though they are rare.

I think I'm safe in saying, you're not a police officer.... you're a troll... just here to agitate. (kicking butt and taking names, indeed)... what a dork.

[TAYLOR INVESTIGATIONS]

I can't stand a security guard who thinks he's a cop. It aggravates the piss out of me. Please Mr. Security Guard, just stay the hell out of my way, watch, and learn from the real police... :rolleyes:
Nice try get lost :D

[ARealCop]

Nice try get lost :D


Originally posted by UncleDooly
I think I'm safe in saying, you're not a police officer.... you're a troll... just here to agitate. (kicking butt and taking names, indeed)... what a dork.


I promise you I'm NOT a troll. I am a police officer in North Carolina whose has his fair share of bad experiences with security guards. Go to www.realpolice.net, where I am a verfied LEO, and check out the username "Terminator." That's me. I will be happy to respond to any PM's there. Again, I am a real police officer, not a troll, and I am just stating my opinions, whether anyone thinks my attitude sucks or not.

[1stWatch]

I'm a real guard and you're not! Get over it!

[1stWatch]

Sorry, I'm not. That is not my intention at all. I don't get "kicks" on that. I get kicks on kicking butt and taking names at my place of work. I work fine with decent security officers...though they are rare.


Seriously though, you mentioned working fine with "decent" security personnel. What made this person decent? What qualities did these rare people have that were professional and admirable? What were they doing right?

[ARealCop]

Seriously though, you mentioned working fine with "decent" security personnel. What made this person decent? What qualities did these rare people have that were professional and admirable? What were they doing right?


Those officers I mentioned had a sharp overall appearance, appeared to be decently educated, carried themselves well, had neat grooming, and a pressed uniform, weren't very overwieght, didn't act like they were cops/had all kinds of authority/were Superman, didn't act like geeky wanna-be cops, didn't try and exert any sort of police authority that they didn't have, & treated people with respect. Basically, some of the same qualities a good police officer has.

Look, I am not here to pick on security guards. I was a security guard in college, while obtaining my degree in Law Enforcement Technology. I know what it's like, and I also know about a lot of people you guys work with. And they are not very impressive. Low standards, low pay, and little to no authority in the position, are the reasons for that.

[SIW Editor]

Everytime we get a sworn LEO on here, we tend to get a bit of attacks. These will not be accepted.

Folks, let me put it in simple terms: Many LEOs have worked security. Many security guards have worked as LEOs and/or are seeking to land employment in that field. Remember that your positions are collaborative. Yes, there are many differences and there has been a culture of disdain, but please put this behind you.

There is much to learn from each other, and much will be learned if we stay away from personal attacks and focus instead on trying to gather the gems of information each field has.

Thank you,
Geoff Kohl, editor
SecurityInfoWatch.com

[1stWatch]

Those officers I mentioned had a sharp overall appearance, appeared to be decently educated, carried themselves well, had neat grooming, and a pressed uniform, weren't very overwieght, didn't act like they were cops/had all kinds of authority/were Superman, didn't act like geeky wanna-be cops, didn't try and exert any sort of police authority that they didn't have, & treated people with respect. Basically, some of the same qualities a good police officer has.

Look, I am not here to pick on security guards. I was a security guard in college, while obtaining my degree in Law Enforcement Technology. I know what it's like, and I also know about a lot of people you guys work with. And they are not very impressive. Low standards, low pay, and little to no authority in the position, are the reasons for that.


Ah, so the geeky wanna-be cops were actually not like people trying to be cops at all, but more like socially deficient individuals with poor hygiene and obsessive compulsive tendencies. Sounds like a lot of the same things I complain about.

Moderator: ty for the "heads up". No offense taken so far. Hopefully not given.

[Mr. Security]

Everytime we get a sworn LEO on here, we tend to get a bit of attacks. These will not be accepted.

Folks, let me put it in simple terms: Many LEOs have worked security. Many security guards have worked as LEOs and/or are seeking to land employment in that field. Remember that your positions are collaborative. Yes, there are many differences and there has been a culture of disdain, but please put this behind you.

There is much to learn from each other, and much will be learned if we stay away from personal attacks and focus instead on trying to gather the gems of information each field has.

Thank you,
Geoff Kohl, editor
SecurityInfoWatch.com

Well said; Amen :)

To REAL COP: We have a great LEO who is a member on this site. He goes by the name TENNSIX. He joined this site because he knows that there are great people in LE and Security. He is willing to work with LEO's and S/O's who need to change their view of each other and perhaps their conduct. If you really want to help, why not speak with the security officers who are trying to act like cops? If you can develop a rapport with them, some may listen to you and change. If so, we both win.:) Are you willing to try it?

[ARealCop]

If you really want to help, why not speak with the security officers who are trying to act like cops? If you can develop a rapport with them, some may listen to you and change. If so, we both win.:) Are you willing to try it?


Absolutely! But it is hard when little turds send me private messages like Zebra One did:

"Hey, ****er, what are you doing?"

"What the **** are you doing in here?"

I have offered to solve the problem the only way I know to at this point. If he doesn't like that, then he should shut up.

[UncleDooly]

Those officers I mentioned had a sharp overall appearance, appeared to be decently educated, carried themselves well, had neat grooming, and a pressed uniform, weren't very overwieght, didn't act like they were cops/had all kinds of authority/were Superman, didn't act like geeky wanna-be cops, didn't try and exert any sort of police authority that they didn't have, & treated people with respect. Basically, some of the same qualities a good police officer has.

Look, I am not here to pick on security guards. I was a security guard in college, while obtaining my degree in Law Enforcement Technology. I know what it's like, and I also know about a lot of people you guys work with. And they are not very impressive. Low standards, low pay, and little to no authority in the position, are the reasons for that.

So, you understand how we, who try our best to stay away from the movie/slob guard sterotype and cop-wanabees, feel - and still, your first post is to attack all of us. Thanks loads guy.

On the other side of the coin..........

Ok, I think I know where you're coming from so I'll back off. We, ourselves, get aggravated at these idiots and, occasionally, lash out generally, as you did. I posted the following several days ago but removed it....

"This is the true story of Bob, the Weirdo Security Guy. Although the story is true, ?Bob?, is a fictitious name cause I?m afraid he would sue me if I used his real name which is Gary Chavez. Anyway, Bob, is one of those guys who thinks being a Security Guard is hot poop ? Bob, thinks he?s a cop. Bob even drives an old used cop car. He doesn?t have a license to carry a gun but he wears a holster ? one of those kind with the flap that snaps over the top so you can?t see there?s no gun in there. Bob, also, wears an asp, pepper spray and handcuffs on his duty belt, none of which he is certified to carry. Bob likes to strut around and act tough and is gonna get his ass beat, one of these days. A cop?s job is to ?serve and protect.? A Security Guard?s job is to ?observe and report.? Bob has them mixed up. If you have been in Security for any length of time, like a week or more, you have probably met Bob. Here?s the deal. If you wanna be a cop, then go be a cop. If you wanna be a hot poop Security Guard, then go away ? you?re giving us all a bad name."

The point is, we know who you're talking about but would appreciate not being lumped in with them.

[ARealCop]

I posted the following several days ago but removed it....

"This is the true story of Bob, the Weirdo Security Guy. Although the story is true, ?Bob?, is a fictitious name cause I?m afraid he would sue me if I used his real name which is Gary Chavez. Anyway, Bob, is one of those guys who thinks being a Security Guard is hot poop ? Bob, thinks he?s a cop. Bob even drives an old used cop car. He doesn?t have a license to carry a gun but he wears a holster ? one of those kind with the flap that snaps over the top so you can?t see there?s no gun in there. Bob, also, wears an asp, pepper spray and handcuffs on his duty belt, none of which he is certified to carry. Bob likes to strut around and act tough and is gonna get his ass beat, one of these days. A cop?s job is to ?serve and protect.? A Security Guard?s job is to ?observe and report.? Bob has them mixed up. If you have been in Security for any length of time, like a week or more, you have probably met Bob. Here?s the deal. If you wanna be a cop, then go be a cop. If you wanna be a hot poop Security Guard, then go away ? you?re giving us all a bad name."

The point is, we know who you're talking about but would appreciate not being lumped in with them.



Good post. I've met plenty of "Bob's." Glad you guys aren't that way.

[N. A. Corbier]

Sup, Terminator. I'll PM you on RP, just for giggles, now that I know your a real person and not a troll.

As far as the rest of it. I feel inclined to look up Gary's FL licenses to see what he has, and if he has any previous or pending action.

Now, that said. Something to remember is that it totally depends on who you are working for, and what you are doing, as to what your job is. There are several companies, all over the US, that if you only "observe and report," you will go to jail, lose your home, and probally end up on the wrong side of a 1983 suit, just like a police officer.

This is because the company you are working for is contracted to protect life and property. It is a fact, companies are contracted TO protect people and property. Especially in Florida, the most litigious state I know of, not knowing what your post requirements and limitations are will get you sued.

A company in Florida was sued, and lost the suit, because there was an expectation of protecting people, and the guard was told that his job was to protect property only. This was a hospital, and the guard did nothing to prevent or interfere with a rape, only called 911. The woman won the suit.

In other states, the job of security IS to protect and serve. Look at Wisconsin, with these companies that lease security police officers, off duty police officers, etc. These people wear security company uniforms, but some of them have very real PD and SO badges in their wallet, and posess full police powers while wearing that security company uniform. Even if you don't have full public police powers, you do have several police powers as a private citizen: The power of arrest, the power to use force to arrest, and the power to defend yourself or another from attack.

Then we get into Federal contracts, where everything is out the window. Your powers are defined by the contracting authority (See Blackwater USA, who get full auto weapons, etc, and have blanket arrest authority on US soil by blanket deputization). I remember a DEA contract that my former employer bid on. Shoulder mounted weapons (M4A1, Select Fire), 9mm pistols, red and blue lights on a cruiser, etc, federal title 40 arrest authority, etc. The company was even responsible for transporting any prisoners to the county jail to be remanded to a federal magistrate, they were not authorized to call the local police or sheriff to remove them. (That's what killed our bid, that meant having additional personnel to man the post, while the arresting officer transported.)

I understand alot of small companies are built largely on filling these niches, such as nuclear security, DEA security, US Customs security, etc.

[ARealCop]

Sup, Terminator. I'll PM you on RP, just for giggles, now that I know your a real person and not a troll.

As far as the rest of it. I feel inclined to look up Gary's FL licenses to see what he has, and if he has any previous or pending action.

Now, that said. Something to remember is that it totally depends on who you are working for, and what you are doing, as to what your job is. There are several companies, all over the US, that if you only "observe and report," you will go to jail, lose your home, and probally end up on the wrong side of a 1983 suit, just like a police officer.

This is because the company you are working for is contracted to protect life and property. It is a fact, companies are contracted TO protect people and property. Especially in Florida, the most litigious state I know of, not knowing what your post requirements and limitations are will get you sued.

A company in Florida was sued, and lost the suit, because there was an expectation of protecting people, and the guard was told that his job was to protect property only. This was a hospital, and the guard did nothing to prevent or interfere with a rape, only called 911. The woman won the suit.

In other states, the job of security IS to protect and serve. Look at Wisconsin, with these companies that lease security police officers, off duty police officers, etc. These people wear security company uniforms, but some of them have very real PD and SO badges in their wallet, and posess full police powers while wearing that security company uniform. Even if you don't have full public police powers, you do have several police powers as a private citizen: The power of arrest, the power to use force to arrest, and the power to defend yourself or another from attack.

Then we get into Federal contracts, where everything is out the window. Your powers are defined by the contracting authority (See Blackwater USA, who get full auto weapons, etc, and have blanket arrest authority on US soil by blanket deputization). I remember a DEA contract that my former employer bid on. Shoulder mounted weapons (M4A1, Select Fire), 9mm pistols, red and blue lights on a cruiser, etc, federal title 40 arrest authority, etc. The company was even responsible for transporting any prisoners to the county jail to be remanded to a federal magistrate, they were not authorized to call the local police or sheriff to remove them. (That's what killed our bid, that meant having additional personnel to man the post, while the arresting officer transported.)

I understand alot of small companies are built largely on filling these niches, such as nuclear security, DEA security, US Customs security, etc.


I agree...and as I explained in my PM on R/P to you, my problems with security officers have mostly been with "contract security," that work at multiple site locations. My frequent contact with the security company that works my city's Government Housing Authority (Section 8) Apartment Complex's doesn't help my opinion. They are sloppy and awful. Since we interact with them so frequently, it really puts a bad name on those individual officers, the security company, and on the whole field (just like it might in police work). It's pretty bad when one of the guards sits in one of your police substations in an apartment complex (they have their own office in our substation) and watches tv and reads all shift. Then they come into work in a uniform shirt, a pair of nasty blue jeans as uniform pants, and boots....WTF??? Not too mention they refuse to do anything. Last time I had to go over to one of our Section 8 Apartment's, a lady complained a guy's music was too loud, so she told the security guard. He told her to just call the cops, 'cause that's all he was gonna do anyway...jeez.

[Nighthawk]

Hi guys,

I know I am new here but I'm going to throw in my two. Until I came to this site I didn't realize there was such a heated thing between LEOs and SOs. Many of my friends are sworn LEOs and we get along just fine. We both know our roles and can learn a bit from each others experiences. Sure, they give me the old "why are you playing in the minors when you could be in the majors?" I laugh it off...and throw in a few jokes of my own. It is all in fun. Out in rural areas security duties are very different than in large populated areas. I am responsible for maintaining a sense of order in my community so that the local LE (which is light due to budget cuts) can attend to things that they are trained to handle and enforce. There is no who is better or worse....we both have a job to do. I handle myself professionally and with the amount of authority that the situation warrants, no more no less. Hats off to all of you that get the job done and keep people safe no matter what your badge says.

[N. A. Corbier]

I agree...and as I explained in my PM on R/P to you, my problems with security officers have mostly been with "contract security," that work at multiple site locations. My frequent contact with the security company that works my city's Government Housing Authority (Section 8) Apartment Complex's doesn't help my opinion. They are sloppy and awful. Since we interact with them so frequently, it really puts a bad name on those individual officers, the security company, and on the whole field (just like it might in police work). It's pretty bad when one of the guards sits in one of your police substations in an apartment complex (they have their own office in our substation) and watches tv and reads all shift. Then they come into work in a uniform shirt, a pair of nasty blue jeans as uniform pants, and boots....WTF??? Not too mention they refuse to do anything. Last time I had to go over to one of our Section 8 Apartment's, a lady complained a guy's music was too loud, so she told the security guard. He told her to just call the cops, 'cause that's all he was gonna do anyway...jeez.

Dude. I will not only fire someone for that, I will take PICTURES, and make a powerpoint out of it "How to lose your job and piss your employer off royally enough that you lose your license." Things like that destroy credibility (obviously), and generally make everyone look bad (obviously), and worse:

Imagine the company that replaces them. That place will be totally out of control, because they'll be used to the idiots out there.

As far as "Security can't do anything about noise complaints," that's a malfunction of the client management company. When I knocked on a door in Section 8 housing, that was the first warning. It was written up in the log book. Next time was an incident report, and we didn't leave till we spoke to the registered leasee, who was informed if we come back again, its with the police who will write a ticket (Not warn), and they will be referred to management for eviction.

Leasees learn quick: If you fail to follow your lease rules, you will be evicted. No ifs, ands, or buts, that the way HUD wants Section 8 to work. You get a 7 day notice to cure. If you screw up in 6 to 12 months after that, good night, your evicted, lose Section 8 benefits for 1 year.

We were feared more than the police. Police take away your freedom, security takes away your home.

[Mr. Security]

Absolutely! But it is hard when little turds send me private messages like ........did:


Good. I'm glad to hear it.:) As far as unkind remarks by some S/O's, why not let it roll off "like water off a duck's back?" You can't change everyone. Besides, as you already know, you need to have a tough exterior to make it as a LEO because of the disrespect that comes with the job. When people call you names, you just ignore it and move on.

[UncleDooly]

Good. I'm glad to hear it.:) As far as unkind remarks by some S/O's, why not let it roll off "like water off a duck's back?" You can't change everyone. Besides, as you already know, you need to have a tough exterior to make it as a LEO because of the disrespect that comes with the job. When people call you names, you just ignore it and move on.

Much like when someone's signature continues to inform you that your position is far below theirs and advises you to "deal with it."

[N. A. Corbier]

Much like when someone's signature continues to inform you that your position is far below theirs and advises you to "deal with it."

Does he still have that? Honestly, I stopped paying attention.

[bigdog]

would u consider s/o that r special deputies realcops?

[3rd_shift]

I have been away a while from here,
and look what has hatched. :mad:
I may research the possibility, of thinking about the possibility of a response to this thread and someone's sigline later in the near, or (probably) distant future. :D

[ARealCop]

When people call you names, you just ignore it and move on.


Actually that depends. That's what we have "Disorderly Conduct" for. I am only going to ignore so much, especially in the eye of the public or in a bad neighborhood where my reputation is at stake. But, I see your point.

[ARealCop]

would u consider s/o that r special deputies realcops?


Yeah, to me, a cop is a cop...part-time, full-time, whatever.

[N. A. Corbier]

Actually that depends. That's what we have "Disorderly Conduct" for. I am only going to ignore so much, especially in the eye of the public or in a bad neighborhood where my reputation is at stake. But, I see your point.

I <3 disorderly conduct. :) Its a breach of the peace, a misdomeanor, and is going on before you, so its arrestable by private citizens in Wisconsin. :)

[UncleDooly]

Actually that depends. That's what we have "Disorderly Conduct" for. I am only going to ignore so much, especially in the eye of the public or in a bad neighborhood where my reputation is at stake. But, I see your point.


I would think that, if someone is being disrespectful to a cop - name calling, etc., they were probably doing something to attract that cops attention in the first place, in which case, I would prefer that cops in my neighborhood not ignore them. Although it is a case of having respect for a law enforcement officer, a more important aspect is, what kind of treatment can we average citizens expect from someone who shows open disrespect or hostility to a policeman.

[ARealCop]

I would think that, if someone is being disrespectful to a cop - name calling, etc., they were probably doing something to attract that cops attention in the first place, in which case, I would prefer that cops in my neighborhood not ignore them. Although it is a case of having respect for a law enforcement officer, a more important aspect is, what kind of treatment can we average citizens expect from someone who shows open disrespect or hostility to a policeman.


Good point

[3rd_shift]

Much better. ;)
Now you are fitting the profile, professionalism, and personality of law enforcement officers I have gladly met at my asigned security posts.
Welcome aboard ARC. :)
For the rate of pay I make, I would never waste my time trying to even look like a cop.
I'm not even a good wannabe.
I'm too lazy to wannabe a cop. :D
I just babysit my post and take care of it.
If the cops are really needed, I gladly call them (911) and enjoy a live action version of the TV show "COPS" shortly there-after.
And yes, I do tease and make fun of any coworkers who act like cops just because they are so easy to rile up. LOL! :D

[IrishGuard]

:D 3rd_shift, I'd say that you have just about got it right. ;)

With that attitude, you will enjoy the job for what it is.

[S/O245]

You cant make everyone out to be a bad S/O just because of one or two. The same thing is done with LEO's. As for because of being contract or making not alot of money. Alot of Security Officers dont make much money. I'm one of them. But i still go out and do my job everyday and sometimes im even called in on a off day. I sometimes only get one day off sometiems i get two but not in a row. And sometimes i do get two in a row off. I work holidays im away from my family, dont get to see my step neice and alot of things. I do this because this is what I do. Im a Security Officer and damn proud to be one. Proud of what i have done in the past and now. If someone a citizen or police officer thinks different thats his/her problem. I would like the police officers to respect me. I know alot do. I dont know about all of them on the local pd where my post is. But if they dont respect me then fine. I really could care less. I have a duty to do. They have a duty to do. So i say do it stay out of my way and im out of his/her way. And if i need them or they need me for the job then great. I did not become a S/O to work for police officers. I became a S/O to help protect life and property on and off duty if needed. Same as when i was a police explorer.

Some Security Officers dont have arrest powers etc. But do we need them. When i hlped catch that DUI i caught him being DUI and called it in right away till they found our location and made the arrest. So again you see we both do the same thing. And we both S/O's and LEOS are needed. Just because your a LEO dont mean you are the only one helping to protect people and property. LEOS are important so are S/O's and the Military and others. I know what my authority is and not. I dont have Powers to Arrest as i said i dont need any. All I have to do is catch what ever it is then call them. I think its the TV that makes us out to be some crap. Even little kids say thats just a security guard or security officer. They dont think they can do anything but they are wrong. Ask two police officers that happened to be bad officers they got caught by a security officer they got arrested put in jail and terminated of police powers. And they are kinda right we can only do so much. But thats the i dont need powers part. Once you have gone as far as you can with what ever authority you have you can call others in with more powers. We only do our jobs. If anyone has a problem with it too bad. Cause wether they like it our not S/O's are out 24/7 on duty.

And as for the thread about think we are cops. I dont think im a cop. I dont wanna be a cop right now.. IM A S/O AND PROUD of it. Just because we wear uniforms does not mean we are trying to be a cop. Or carry certain gear we are suppose to have. I dont see how doing your assigned duty of protecting people & property makes you trying to be a cop. The National Guard helps to protect people & property they are not trying to be cops. Some of them are Military PO's.

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Stay safe All :)

[N. A. Corbier]

I'm also told that there's another Security Officer Union, a specific union under federal collective barganing statutes, called the Department of Homeland Security Police Officer's Union. They're organizing regular security unions to deal with the fact that, as an employer, I don't have to enter into a collective barganing agreement with the IOSU or whatever that jack-of-all trades union is.

I came from a state with no union representation authorized. Those who tried were blacklisted, and there are right to work laws protected the employers.

However, I don't see a problem with a collective barganing agreement with a professional security officer union or association. Most of the things I believe in, I have a feeling people are fighting for. Decent wage, better equipment, focus on job and not "value added services," proper fitting uniforms, employers who will back their employees, and proper training in the tools they're recieving.

[SeanCO]

While I work for a small company handling section 8 housing I can only speak for my fellow officers and they are top notch. All but me are former LEO's and conduct themselves in a professional manner in all situations, however they all know what the "line" is and do not cross it. We have a very good working relationship with the local municipalities and we can always count on them when we need them and vice versa, I have not had any bad encounters with a LEO yet, in fact they have all treated me with the same amount of respect I give them. I do want to be a cop, however I am anything but a "WANNABE", I am working hard to get into law enforcement and count what I am doing now as nothing other than a step into that direction and a great learning experience. Once I am done with school I fully intend and am confident I will find my "home" with a department.