First issue items

[graywolf_14]

Ok out of fear of stealing someone elses thread I figured I would start a new thread. As I have stated before i will be buying all my gear from uniformswarehouse to start out with. Quality aside do you guys think this is a good starting list? I will buy one of each to test quality myself.
OFFICER EQUIPMENT LIST-
1. top summer
a.black/grey polo $8.99x2
1. colar rank $.99x3
b. zippered SS uniform shirt $14.99x2
1. S.O. lapel pin $.99x2
2. U.S. lapel pin $.99x2

2. top winter
a. zippered LS uniform shirt $14.99x2

3. rip-stop BDU pants(black) $14.99x3
a. BDU duty shorts (bicycle) $14.99x3

4. 8" Strider boots $19.99
a. shoe care kit $9.99

4.5. tactical shoes( bicycle) $17.99

5. 1 1/2 velcro duo belt $6.99

6. Nylon duty belt combo $49.99
a. belt
b. hand cuffs w/pouch
c. OC spray w/pouch
d. flashlight w/holder
e. key holder(not included) $3.99
f. pistol holster
g. drop leg holster


7. all season deluxe bomber jacket $19.99

a. slip on epaulet (black w silver security) $4.99

8.leather cold weather gloves $14.99

9. security beanie(black/white) $4.99

10. carryall duty gear bag $19.99

11. oval badge holder with chain/clip $9.99

12. silver or gold badge(unclear on style)

13. black ballcap w/white security $4.99

14. first class armor $299.99

15. DAR metal clipboard $9.99

16. ID/Badge lanyard set $1.24

17. Windbreaker black(white security) $9.99

[graywolf_14]

Sorry for it spaced out so much but I just copy pasted from my computer... I have the same thing for patrol cars,motorcycles and even have started making notes of things to look for in a building and what I want in it. I havent been able to sleep the last 2days so I have been doing all that and even writing uniform SOP's.

[5423]

Before anyone can offer an informed opinion on your planned uniforms, we kinda need a little info on what sort of security work you're planning on targetting; the uniforms should be appropriate to the work. Otherwise, they're not only uncomfortable or inefficient, but can make one look, for want of a better term, a little... silly.

For instance: For his job (and probably most of his career) Hotel wears a business suit, whether at his desk or on the hotel floor - and it's appropriate to his job.

My crew wears jeans, work boots and a tan uniform shirt - again, appropriate to their surroundings and their daily tasks.

flashlightcop, on the other hand, wears a pretty spiffy uniform - and needs to for his job; it's not only expected by his employers, but by the public he interacts with.

It's sounding like you're gonna be looking pretty tactical; is that a reflection of your targetted work, or is that a reflection of your Army experience?

[graywolf_14]

Well I guess some of it is based off of my military and some what I could of used when I was doing security... Boots and cargo's because I use to work alot of sites were I had to walk outside even in the rain. Polo would be more for sites like those and SS uniform shirt for places like gas stations and shopping centers. LS ofcourse for winter time or office buildings. All this is subject to change since I did this laying in bed because I couldnt sleep....Things like the leg holster would be if I had motorcycles because I think it would be more comfy for the driver. I probably should divide it into a wish/maybe list and a standard list. Color wise I picked black because I know were atleast in Wichita you cant wear the same colors as LEO or rescue workers. Police wear tan, fire I believe navy and I dont like green,brown or white... I have thought about grey tops but my wife thinks it would show sweat marks to much.

[5423]

Before anyone can offer an informed opinion on your planned uniforms, we kinda need a little info on what sort of security work you're planning on targetting; the uniforms should be appropriate to the work. Otherwise, they're not only uncomfortable or inefficient, but can make one look, for want of a better term, a little... silly...

Uh, OK... but we're still back to this (quote).

What I'm suggesting you avoid: Imagine, if you will, some poor security guard, working a bicycle patrol gig on a beach-front resort... in full Class As, including coat, tie, and brimmed cover. Or another working a front gate check-point for a high-tech campus... in a LAPD-style motorcycle cop's uniform, with motor helmet, wool jodphurs and knee boots (and he rides the city bus directly to his work station).

See what I mean? No one can possbily give you an informed opinion of a uniform, without knowing what the wearer's expected to do in it...

[graywolf_14]

well the uniforms would obviously be appropriate for the work they are doing... I will be trying to focus on gas stations,construction sites, nightly money drops (restarants,business etc.) shopping centers and basically anything I can get. Bicycle would be for shopping centers or other large work sites. Motorcyles im not quite sure on since insurance and limited use for them... This is just an initial list so I might end up not having bike or motorcycles and end up having to add suits to the list. I think I will break the list down even more to basic issue and than the specialty like bike,motorcycles. At the moment im kind of just going off what I did when I worked security as far as contracts...

[N. A. Corbier]

You can actually find posts when I played this game long, long ago.

I'm split on this. Part of me says "do not bother coming up with alternate uniforms, you will not need them." Remember, you have to convince your client that the additional cost of a bicycle and a bicycle trained security officer is better than your competitor who will put the guard on site and tell him to patrol on foot or his own vehicle.

How many times do you see guys with hide-away strobes and magnetic "security" signs, to the point they're made up with their employer's name on them, on a site in what's obviously a personal vehicle? Those guys, 9 times out of 10, are not being paid any additional money to work from their car. That means that the client is providing fixed vehicle patrol with the employee paying the operating costs.

So, why is the client going to buy your bike guard with his alternate uniform, additional training, and additional cost? Some will understand that the bike officer responds faster than an on foot guard, is more approachable than a guard in his personal vehicle, and speed is a factor in response.

Of course, if you're chasing Detex contracts, then the guard will be walking -- clients who want keys punched are not after response, only accountability of contractor actions.

The other part is that this s a good exercise, you'll learn just how much outfitting an officer costs if you buy crap as well as good equipment. These prices are a bit old, but here you go:

http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/showthread.php?t=365

This link uses 2006 prices from Streicher's, and would be a master uniform list for top of the line equipment and uniforms. (Unfortunately, it looks like the file was not kept by the server.)

I'm actually going to get a few catalogs again and do this sort of thing in my spare time, I may add it to my website.

[zm88]

I'd advise not getting.boots. have your guards supply their own, you'll save a lot of money.

[Mr. Chaple]

N. A. Corbier, the Zipfile you uploaded has not been available; for at least as long as I have been a member.

[graywolf_14]

I see your point about the bicycle, makes alot of sense. Seems some poeple have security for the simple reason of insurance... Well my reasoning for providing foot wear is to keep all officers professional. ive seen to many officers wearing tennis shoes some even wearing velcro shoes. Course that along with alot of other issues can be fixed with proper management...

[graywolf_14]

Well I would never expect or ask an officer to use their personal vehicle, well without compensation... I believe the last company I worked for would give you between 250-500 a month for using your own vehicle but it had to meet certain criteria. For instance you couldnt use any vehicle that wasnt white or black and it had to be in reasonable condition and no older than 5yrs.

[graywolf_14]

I read the thread you posted, very education gave me an idea of the difference in prices. My list that I modified is $625 without shipping and of course pistol. I took out the shoes,shorts and leg holster... Like I said though I will buy one of everything and see the quality myself.

[N. A. Corbier]

I read the thread you posted, very education gave me an idea of the difference in prices. My list that I modified is $625 without shipping and of course pistol. I took out the shoes,shorts and leg holster... Like I said though I will buy one of everything and see the quality myself.

Its good that you dropped a thigh holster, they're generally not used in civilian security operations. Also, you do not want to buy a holster or authorize a holster that is not retention capable. What works in the military for a holster (all nylon, drop rig, level 1 or 0 retention) does not work in CONUS civilian security.

[graywolf_14]

I should say it was educational... Yes I believe I will drop both holsters until I do some research about what is required. Also if I am not going to be supplying pistols no reason to supply holsters...

[N. A. Corbier]

I should say it was educational... Yes I believe I will drop both holsters until I do some research about what is required. Also if I am not going to be supplying pistols no reason to supply holsters...

The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to specify what types and features of your equipment and equipment holders are authorized. You can't tell people to buy Safariland and only Safariland, with the model numbers blah. This makes it required equipment and then you're on the hook for buying and supplying it.

But, you can say: Employees will purchase a Level 3 retention holster, color black, with a finish matching the uniform equipment belt and all other accessories, from a reputable manufacturer, for the weapon carried.

[Mr. Chaple]

I do not believe I would issue someone a holster if I were not going to issue them a weapon.

[graywolf_14]

Well as stated above that is one reason I removed it from the list... Until I decide if I am going to supply firearms or not it will stay off the list.

[tlandon]

The company I work for goes with the tactical look. I am armed as well. They "suggest" I wear body armour. I must wear tactical pants, boots with long pants, low top shoes with tactical shorts, carry a firearm, pepper spray, flashlight, handcuffs, paper and pen, cell phone, level II retention holster.
But, quess what "they" supply to me. One tee shirt with their logo. I have to provide everything else.
Cant wear body armour. In south florida its still 90 degrees and 100% humidity all night. I tried just wearing a reqular tactical vest and had to take it off or I would have gotten heat stroke. You cant drink enough water in weather like that.
The security companies down here have you by the balls. They wont spend any money they dont have to. And jobs are so hard to come by down here, if you dont like yours they have 10 immigrants that will work for next to nothing waiting for a phone call.
Like I have said in other posts on this forum, the security field sucks unless you own the company.

[N. A. Corbier]

I've worn armor in that heat. You can do it. You have to stay hydrated while doing it, but you can do it.

[Curtis Baillie]

I've worn armor in that heat. You can do it. You have to stay hydrated while doing it, but you can do it.I used to wear it in Arizona.

[zm88]

They have cooling inserts for the vest if i remeber correctly