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N. A. Corbier
06-20-2006, 09:45 PM
http://www.keysurvey.com/survey/113625/eeafca50/

This survey came in my inbox. I told them the truth, I think its a toy that will be abused by the average security guard. Its 11 inches long, 2 inches wide, and weighs 2.2 pounds. Oh, and it has the ability to kill a person if you shoot them in the eye.

I like pepperball launchers. The real deal. But a 5 shot "last ditch" weapon that doubles as a flashlight... The guard companies will stick them in the supervisor's car and ignore them. Individual guards will probably, if issued, use them as a primary flashlight.

Don't forget that quite a few states outlaw pepperball.
Echos13
06-20-2006, 10:31 PM
This reminds me of those flashlights that came with an internal OC spray back in the late eighties. You inserted the can into the first battery slot and the rest with regular batteries. The one I had didn't work that well. This however is interesting. But yea. In the hands of an under trained and/or over zealous security person could result in some problems. They would be inclined to carry it instead of a flashlight and may find it ether too convenient to use or just be plain ignorant about it all together. In the right hands this could be a good tool. The issue of it actually sending out a projectile does seem to be a concern however.
dla4122
06-20-2006, 11:09 PM
:d :d Got To Get One!!!! :d :d
davis002
06-20-2006, 11:21 PM
I got that email too... I am not all that impressed with it.
GCMC Security
06-21-2006, 01:56 PM
I'm still trying to get my hands on handful of pepperballs for my next big paintball game :D
aka Bull
06-21-2006, 02:08 PM
This item wouldn't be one I see us using in the hospital. Too much risk for collateral damage.
N. A. Corbier
06-21-2006, 03:54 PM
If I want a pepperball gun, I want a pepperball gun. Not a flashlight. This thing reminds me of the MACE Brand(tm) Pepper Spray/Electric/Super-Nuclear Flashlight.
davis002
06-21-2006, 05:23 PM
I'm still trying to get my hands on handful of pepperballs for my next big paintball game :D

Goodluck... they are awfully expensive. Depending on how many you purchase you are looking at $1.50 - $2.50 per pepperball. That is a far cry from the usual $0.25 - $0.50 for a typical premium grade paintball.
publicsafetyred
06-21-2006, 08:39 PM
http://www.keysurvey.com/survey/113625/eeafca50/

This survey came in my inbox. I told them the truth, I think its a toy that will be abused by the average security guard. Its 11 inches long, 2 inches wide, and weighs 2.2 pounds. Oh, and it has the ability to kill a person if you shoot them in the eye.

If you are talking about the incident in Boston, that was not Pepperball and not Pepperball products were used in that death. To date Pepperball is 100% non-lethal. Please keep in mind I am not saying that serious injury could not incur if one was to shoot someone in the face with Pepperball; its just that it hasn't happed yet in the thousands of applications so far. :)
dla4122
06-21-2006, 08:48 PM
I just found out today, that TDCJ has approved the Pepperball!!!!!!

Yes, I can't wait to get my hands on that, LOL. :D
N. A. Corbier
06-21-2006, 08:52 PM
If you are talking about the incident in Boston, that was not Pepperball and not Pepperball products were used in that death. To date Pepperball is 100% non-lethal. Please keep in mind I am not saying that serious injury could not incur if one was to shoot someone in the face with Pepperball; its just that it hasn't happed yet in the thousands of applications so far. :)

What was that weapon system? I was told that a pepperball launcher was given to an officer who was not rated on it, and he shot a girl in the eye, killing her.
publicsafetyred
06-22-2006, 12:53 AM
What was that weapon system? I was told that a pepperball launcher was given to an officer who was not rated on it, and he shot a girl in the eye, killing her.

It was a FN 303 system that utilizes a fin-stabilized polystyrene body and non-toxic bismuth at 8.5 grams. The Pepperball system utilizes a 3 gram projectile with no metal at all, just PAVA in a plastc shell. The 303 is also faster than Pepperball's 350 feet/second.
N. A. Corbier
06-22-2006, 03:01 AM
It was a FN 303 system that utilizes a fin-stabilized polystyrene body and non-toxic bismuth at 8.5 grams. The Pepperball system utilizes a 3 gram projectile with no metal at all, just PAVA in a plastc shell. The 303 is also faster than Pepperball's 350 feet/second.

Ah... I've seen the FN 303 unit in catalogs. Along with a big disclaimer noting that FN prevents any private agency from owning one, no matter what they do. Government purchases only.